+ Reply to Thread
Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 33

Thread: Franken M16 magazines

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #21
    Legacy Member RCS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 10:56 PM
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    4,314
    Real Name
    Robert Seccombe
    Local Date
    03-19-2024
    Local Time
    03:17 AM
    Thread Starter
    If out of curiosity, if I were to build a franken magazine, I would tight swage the M16icon top half of the magazine over a ground down AK magazine

  2. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Location
    Milsurps.Com
    Posts
    All Threads
    A Collector's View - The SMLE Short Magazine Lee Enfield 1903-1989. It is 300 8.5x11 inch pages with 1,000+ photo’s, most in color, and each book is serial-numbered.  Covering the SMLE from 1903 to the end of production in India in 1989 it looks at how each model differs and manufacturer differences from a collecting point of view along with the major accessories that could be attached to the rifle. For the record this is not a moneymaker, I hope just to break even, eventually, at $80/book plus shipping.  In the USA shipping is $5.00 for media mail.  I will accept PayPal, Zelle, MO and good old checks (and cash if you want to stop by for a tour!).  CLICK BANNER to send me a PM for International pricing and shipping. Manufacturer of various vintage rifle scopes for the 1903 such as our M73G4 (reproduction of the Weaver 330C) and Malcolm 8X Gen II (Unertl reproduction). Several of our scopes are used in the CMP Vintage Sniper competition on top of 1903 rifles. Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Specializing in premium ammunition and reloading components. Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

  3. #22
    Contributing Member Flying10uk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 10:42 PM
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    5,072
    Local Date
    03-19-2024
    Local Time
    08:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by RCS View Post
    If out of curiosity, if I were to build a franken magazine, I would tight swage the M16icon top half of the magazine over a ground down AK magazine
    It would be quite interesting if someone was to actually try this out.

  4. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  5. #23
    Legacy Member matthanne1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Last On
    09-16-2023 @ 10:41 PM
    Location
    Illinois
    Posts
    214
    Local Date
    03-19-2024
    Local Time
    03:17 AM
    Re RCS's comment- The controversy I recall was in the spurious claim by so many wanna-be's that the AK series could shoot our ammunition but not vice versa. Perhaps in the mixup of bores 7.62 by 51 or 39, but in the late 70s and early 80s when I enlisted, this myth reached epic proportions among the US military, as those who used it to claim their bona fides (their PSG did it in Vietnam, foaf stories, you're not cool enough to know, etc etc), while those of us who knew the real deal saw it as the vocabulary of fools who only saw their weapon when they went to the range to qualify.

  6. #24
    Legacy Member RCS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 10:56 PM
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    4,314
    Real Name
    Robert Seccombe
    Local Date
    03-19-2024
    Local Time
    03:17 AM
    Thread Starter

    stories about compatable cartridges

    Sometimes a 7,62mm NATO will fire in a Mosin-Nagant rifle.

    Best story was that the US 50 cal BMG cartridge would fire in the Soviet 12.7mm
    machine gun often called the 51 Russianicon in Viet Nam but the Russian round would
    not fire in the 50 cal Browning, of course it is not true but the story continued long
    after the war.

    Photo shows a 55 Boys, 50 Cal BMG and Soviet 12,7mmAttachment 102678

  7. #25
    Advisory Panel browningautorifle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    Today @ 12:35 AM
    Location
    Victoria BC
    Posts
    29,813
    Real Name
    Jim
    Local Date
    03-19-2024
    Local Time
    01:17 AM
    We too suffered through the stories from the great unknowing about enemy being able to use our such and such but we couldn't...I ended up spending years to quell such stories...
    Regards, Jim

  8. Thank You to browningautorifle For This Useful Post:


  9. #26
    Legacy Member Eaglelord17's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Last On
    03-15-2024 @ 11:42 AM
    Location
    Sault Ste. Marie, ON
    Posts
    1,257
    Real Name
    A.N.
    Local Date
    03-19-2024
    Local Time
    04:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    We too suffered through the stories from the great unknowing about enemy being able to use our such and such but we couldn't...I ended up spending years to quell such stories...
    Those same stories still come up to this day occasionally. Kinda fun shooting them down though.

  10. The Following 2 Members Say Thank You to Eaglelord17 For This Useful Post:


  11. #27
    Advisory Panel browningautorifle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    Today @ 12:35 AM
    Location
    Victoria BC
    Posts
    29,813
    Real Name
    Jim
    Local Date
    03-19-2024
    Local Time
    01:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglelord17 View Post
    same stories still come up
    You think after this last great conflagration, there'd be enough people around that know better...but as mentioned it's like an old hand game. "I know these things"...

    I guess in reality most of the vets have rotated out of line now. Very few serving junior ranks with stars. Less Snr NCOs too...than you'd think.
    Regards, Jim

  12. Thank You to browningautorifle For This Useful Post:


  13. #28
    Legacy Member Eaglelord17's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Last On
    03-15-2024 @ 11:42 AM
    Location
    Sault Ste. Marie, ON
    Posts
    1,257
    Real Name
    A.N.
    Local Date
    03-19-2024
    Local Time
    04:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    You think after this last great conflagration, there'd be enough people around that know better...but as mentioned it's like an old hand game. "I know these things"...

    I guess in reality most of the vets have rotated out of line now. Very few serving junior ranks with stars. Less Snr NCOs too...than you'd think.
    We are pretty much at the point now where no one serving even used the previous generations of weapons (except generally the fairly Snr NCOs and officers). My father and uncle were on some of the last infantry battle schools for them (C1, C1 SMG, C2, C5 etc.). That puts the youngest you can be is your late 40s, and even then your exposure would have been fairly limited as they would have only been in service with them for a few years.

    The problem is simply poor information being told by a few, and others taking it as gospel. The good thing is with the internet it is easier than ever to disprove this stuff for them. Most the people being told these falsehoods were mainly told by relatives who were around a while ago (and bought into it then), as opposed to it being shared by leadership.

  14. Thank You to Eaglelord17 For This Useful Post:


  15. #29
    Legacy Member Bruce_in_Oz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 05:39 AM
    Location
    Brisbane
    Posts
    2,232
    Local Date
    03-19-2024
    Local Time
    06:17 PM
    About the only possibility of such a thing happening MIGHT be firing 81mm bombs from "their" 82mm mortar, IF and only IF the base plug / striker were mechanically compatible.

    Not long back, I was talking to a former member of an old unit Mortar Platoon.

    Apparently back in the 1980s, the Mortar platoon took delivery of a substantial number of THREE INCH bombs, new firing tables AND new base plugs.

    Three inch and 81mm use different "striker" types, both on the removable base plug.

    Why were they doing this? Well, this is how it was explained to me:

    The story goes that some blanket-stacker found something like a MILLION 3" bombs stored in a big shed at an out of the way depot. Apparently these (and a lot of other odd stuff) had been stockpiled there ready for the big push into the Japaneseicon Home Islands. Someone must have figured that a bit of portable fire-support might be a good thing.

    So, the system authorized the destruction of all this "stray" ammo in training shoots. New base plugs were made for the 81mm tubes and our jolly mortar-men were off to the races.

    There were, apparently, several problems with this ammo.

    1. There is a "little" bit of breezeway between the 3" bomb and the 81mm tube. This bore "breezeway" meant that a bit of the blast escaped around the not-fully obturated bomb, reducing muzzle velocity, (and range). The "loose" bombs" literally rattled up the bore and started to cause odd wear patterns in the tubes.
    2. The 3" ammo is NOT bore-safe. Once the safety pin on the warhead fuse is removed, if you drop it; there may be an "Earth-shattering" KaBOOM!
    3. SOMETIMES, the initiator / main charge would not ignite.

    These last two are closely linked. If a bomb failed to launch, the "authorized drill" was simple:

    All extraneous personnel disappeared like magic.
    The two lucky "volunteers" from the crew unhitched the base-plug from the base-plate.
    Then the fun part. The "catcher" used a cloth or sandbag to form, essentially, a "mitt".
    The other bloke lifted the base of the tube to let the bomb slide SLOWLY out to be caught in the "mitt".
    The by-now nervous "catcher" would then carry the errant bomb to the "blind" pit, some distance from the firing line, place it gently on the ground and return to his pit.

    Down-range blinds kept the demolitions types amused, as well.

    Back to the 'theirs and ours" story: Does anyone have the details of the "striker" system on the Russianicon 82mm mortar?

    I think it was Mark Twain who said: "It ain’t what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure, that just ain't so".

  16. #30
    Advisory Panel browningautorifle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    Today @ 12:35 AM
    Location
    Victoria BC
    Posts
    29,813
    Real Name
    Jim
    Local Date
    03-19-2024
    Local Time
    01:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce_in_Oz View Post
    There were, apparently, several problems with this ammo.
    I spent time in Mortar Pl and those stories make my skin crawl...

    Here's a pic of another modified mag with documentation from it's manufacturer... It looks very good too...
    Regards, Jim

  17. Thank You to browningautorifle For This Useful Post:


+ Reply to Thread
Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Ilongot custom made Franken-rifle
    By Boonie Stomper in forum Japanese Rifles
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 06-11-2017, 11:46 PM
  2. Franken-FAL Rises Again (In Progress)
    By Mako275 in forum The Restorer's Corner
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 08-22-2016, 03:48 AM
  3. Replies: 31
    Last Post: 01-19-2014, 12:12 AM
  4. Franken gun part 2
    By sdh1911 in forum The Watering Hole OT (Off Topic) Forum
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 03-14-2007, 07:59 PM
  5. Parker Hale, Franken gun
    By sdh1911 in forum The Watering Hole OT (Off Topic) Forum
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 02-19-2007, 12:39 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Raven Rocks