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    1897 trench conversion

    Just acquired a 1897 takedown 12 ga. and am interested in converting to a trench gun. My question right now is was the butt stock sling swivel used on then it`s own design or did they use a 1903 Springfield type?
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    1903 type like most of the others.
    Just an FYI, the trench gun used the non-takedown model.

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    I can`t remember where but I believe I have read that about 25,000 takedown versions were delivered for WWII?? I would love to know if that is true. Haven't bought Canfields book yet.

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    WW1 Winchester model 97 trench guns were solid frame and WW2 Winchester model 97 trench guns were take down
    The rear sling swivel has a smaller base than one on the Model 1903 Winchester used it on their rifles and shotguns so you need to find a Winchester rear sling swivel

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    Between 1941 and 1944 there were 40,642 Winchester model 97's of all types procured about 33,000 were trench guns

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    Would that be the same one Winchester used on the m1917 possibly? I have a couple of those.

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    Well I bungled that answer haha.
    I’ve learned some new stuff here!

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    No the M1917 is different the Winchester sling swivel has a smaller base then the one's found on the 03 or 1917
    I still learn new things all the time when it comes to collecting military shotguns

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    While it did resemble the '03 swivel, the Winchester trench guns (M97 and M12) used a proprietary swivel that was smaller than the '03 swivel and had a slightly different configuration. BTW, the WWI M97s were solid frame but the WWII production guns were take-down.

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    Thank you Sir, I really need to buy your books. I have just started down the Trechgun wormhole. I do not intend to try to fake a Real gun just want to make as near as possible of an affordable version of one. So I would take it I should look for a 4 row heat shield to make my takedown gun WWII correct?

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    I really need to buy your books
    I have a spare soft cover book by Bruce I will send you if you PM me your address to ship. It will just appear. I have two.
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