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    The site is marked up to 20 if that means anything.
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    Pipersville.. I spent some years living in Upper Black Eddy. Dated a girl in Perkasie as a young man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick303 View Post
    it is quite possible your grandfather was a gate guard, member of the state guard, bridge guard, etc and got it thorough that method.
    There's a ray of light...very interesting idea. Would make sense too...
    Regards, Jim

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    Here is a short mention of the WWI organization, but not much data. more on WWII


    Pennsylvania State Guard - Wikipedia

    Here is where you can type in your relatives name and see if it comes up as a state guard man from 1918 to 1920

    https://archon.klnpa.org/psa/?p=coll...olcard&id=8760

    There are more records and organizations involved in home defense than the state guard: here are the state archives, you might find a lead there.

    WWI Online :: Pennsylvania State Archives


    I would document what you can find, in writing before it is all lost. Thing is family firearms have a history of losing their association or having the story get messed up over time. Have the documentation and it will stay a family heirloom a lot longer.

    For example, in my family is a Belgiumicon muzzle loading screw-off double barreled percussion pistol from circa 1851~1855. It has family history, but it is forgotten, the last person who knew something about it died in 1993, and his widow had no recollection of what the association was. The best guess is it was from an extended family from Indiana circa civil war era, but no one knows.

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    Sendero's rear-sight is a 'bitsa' put together, unofficially, from surplus parts. His sight is quite functional, but, did not come from Springfield Armory in its current form.

    The base is from a 'model 1898 rifle sight' for the "hotter" 2,200 f.p.s. (220 grain projectile) ammo. This cartridge was 'short lived' and condemned, when U.S. Kragicon bolt-heads began developing cracks. (The Ordnance Department returned to the previous 2,000 f.p.s. (220 grain projectile) .30-40 cartridge.

    The model 1898 sight bases had too low an elevation-ramp for the slower regulation cartridge, so they were scrapped and got into the surplus market. (The 'top' or Leaf part was saved and most were altered and used in a variation of the model 1902 sight).

    The model 1902 sight-base has a higher elevation-ramp and uses a different shape of spring for the Leaf.

    BTW - All 1898 and 1902 sight Leaves are graduated to "20" (or 2,000 yards) with the same spacing of increments.

    The front and rear sights of Sendero's family Krag make it real likely it came from Stokes Kirk or Sedgley's Philadelphia shops.

    Attachments: 1. model 1898 rifle sight. 2. model 1898 rifle base. 3. A 1902 sight with leaf officially altered from 1898 leaf.

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    Frederick303: How were you able to date my "Stokes Kirk - catalog #27" to 1918?

    Lots of the old 'gun company' catalogs lack dates.

    (Thanks in advance - I did not know its actual date range).

    p.s. Sheet metal 'banded' front-sights show up on many Krags adapted for Hunting. The Stokes Kirk 'Special Kragicon Front Sight' is the likely source.


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    Quote Originally Posted by butlersrangers View Post
    Frederick303: How were you able to date my "Stokes Kirk - catalog #27" to 1918?

    Lots of the old 'gun company' catalogs lack dates.

    (Thanks in advance - I did not know its actual date range).

    p.s. Sheet metal 'banded' front-sights show up on many Krags adapted for Hunting. The Stokes Kirk 'Special Kragicon Front Sight' is the likely source.


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    How were you able to date my "Stokes Kirk - catalog #27" to 1918?

    Well, it seems I made a mistake. I have a copy of the 1918 catalog and it is the same or very similar to # 27, but likely a wee bit earlier. Prices on the Krag are the same.

    If interested Cornell publications does a reprint of the 1918 catalog. Same cover as yours but above the canoe is a big "1918" in black. Now the normal arms collector might have missed this, but being somewhat Sherlock Holmes like I managed to deduce that it was actually the date of the catalog, the key being the title and number were to be read together as "Catalogue 1918"

    Being close to the site of Stokes and Sedgley (one county north) these arms have some local interest, when I first joined my present rifle club in the mid 1980s I ran across some fellows who recall buying arms/items from W. Stokes, though they had another address by WWII era. In the 1950s the Krag was the rifle of use in Bucks county PA for the less prosperous hunter. Some very nice sported Krags have made their appearance over the years, sadly they are now pretty rare but in the 1990s you could hardly swing a dead cat at a local gun show without hitting one or more of these arms. Don't ask me how I know that or the name of the cat.

    Heck here one of the gun shops traces it existence back to a shop owned by "old man" (In the 1940s) Menninger who had a gun shop in the 1930s in Doylestown PA. Had a relative who had at least 2 l Krags from him in the 1948~1949 era.

    I did find a reference to the catalog #18 being published May 1926

    there was a Number 19 catalog and a a #20 and 20B

    The firm lasted until sometime around the Bicentennial (1976), I seem to recall reading it was around 100 years old when it finally closed, but had very little left by then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by butlersrangers View Post
    I wonder if they still have any of those muzzle and sight protectors for 5 cents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick303 View Post
    Here is a short mention of the WWI organization, but not much data. more on WWII


    Pennsylvania State Guard - Wikipedia

    Here is where you can type in your relatives name and see if it comes up as a state guard man from 1918 to 1920

    https://archon.klnpa.org/psa/?p=coll...olcard&id=8760

    There are more records and organizations involved in home defense than the state guard: here are the state archives, you might find a lead there.

    WWI Online :: Pennsylvania State Archives


    I would document what you can find, in writing before it is all lost. Thing is family firearms have a history of losing their association or having the story get messed up over time. Have the documentation and it will stay a family heirloom a lot longer.

    For example, in my family is a Belgiumicon muzzle loading screw-off double barreled percussion pistol from circa 1851~1855. It has family history, but it is forgotten, the last person who knew something about it died in 1993, and his widow had no recollection of what the association was. The best guess is it was from an extended family from Indiana circa civil war era, but no one knows.

    thank you sir for posting these links.

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    Some listed eBay items (I saved pictures of) from years past.



    IIRC - The "Stokes Kirk - Kragicon Bayonet sign" was located in the Philippines. (I thought it highly 'suspect', but cool).

    I love ephemera items containing Krags and thought I would share - Merry Christmas to All!

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    That's an interesting carbine you have there! It's hard to tell how it got that way and what it was originally. It doesn't look as if it spent the 1898 rainy season in Cuba or PR, and the front sight is not something it would have picked up in an arsenal on land or a shipboard gun locker. If the barrel is good you have a fine hunting rifle

    jn

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