You say no malfunction on the last round? If you load the magazine with just one round it will fire and eject normally? As there were versions of the 1922 built both with and without a magazine safety or disconnect, can it be fired without a magazine? Does the malfunction only occur when there is a "second"round in the magazine? Since the gun is blowback operated, a case will often come out of the chamber without the extractor extracting it. The extractor does need to hold part of the rim so the striker/ejector has something to work against. What happens if you shoot it sideways, "gangsta" style so the ejection port faces down?
Last edited by old tanker; 01-28-2020 at 03:52 PM.
Good Morning,
I will try to answer your questions if I can we have owned this pistol for several months but most of this time its been in the gunsmiths, so I have only fired or tried to fire it a couple of times.
The last time I tried it 2 rounds in the mag, it jammed on the first fired case so I removed the mag cleared the jammed case second round had chambered replaced the empty mag fired the round and the case ejected cleanly. Will not fire if mag removed.
We are controlled on the range so no gangster style shooting.
"service in the Crimea" I saw service in the British RAF as a dog handler/policeman, so know how firearms work but we are only allowed to do minor repairs things like this type of malfunction have to be done by a gunsmith where they can test fire the gun when ever they need to. We only have limited range time. In this case the gunsmith is not a good one.
Just trying to get a better idea of where in the sequence of events the stoppage is occuring. This will not be an exact parallel since the Browning does not lock open on an empty but here is a video of a Taurus with a bad extractor.
Firing the pistol imparted enough energy to the slide to lock back on the empty mag, but with the fired case still partially in the chamber. Had there been another round in the magazine the slide coming forward would stripped a round out and either pushed the fired cartridge back into the chamber with nose of the new round against it or wedged itself underneath, depending on angles.
In this case, ejection did not occur because extraction was incomplete.
The other common reason for a failure to eject is the slide has not come back far enough to hit the ejector. Assuming the ammo is not under powered is the recoil spring too stiff? Is there too much friction? Does having a round in the magazine make a difference? If it ejects with an empty, as you said it fails on every round except the last?
Mag sits too high in the gun? Possibly something is restricting or slowing the slide travel?
Another cause would be the ejector being too short. In the case of the Browning the striker doubles as the ejector. One might assume that if the striker is long enough to fire the pistol that it should be long enough to eject the cartridge. I do not know if that is true. One more thing you guy should investigate.
Last question, have you paid this guy? As some folks around these parts are wont to say here, "He's gonna have to lick that calf over again."
To reply to your last question first NO I did not pay the guy for any work he carried out as for the new spring & ejector yes paid for them.
Ok watched the video the fired cases in my pistol are being extracted from the chamber so that when the pistol jams the fired case opening is 90' to the ejection port as the slide moves forward, almost like the extractor is holding the case. Does that make sense.
If a round is in the mag then the previous fired case will jam as above, the last round in the mag when fired will eject fully.
Tried 3 different mags happens on all 3.
Striker being too short I will investigate as the pistol has been removed from the gunsmith I do not want them working on it again. I have a FN 1910 I will compare strikers as the 1910 cycles faultlessly.
Tried with the old & new recoil springs jams with either.
M1922 9mm Kurz mags have 7 holes, 7.65 magazines have 8 holes. Since the stovepipe occurs when there is a subsequent round in the magazine is it somehow impeding the slide and keeping it from going back fast enough or far enough/? Other question, is the live round loose under the fired case? If so then the possibility exist the magazine is releasing the second round too soon.
All 3 mags have 7 holes & have FN 9m/m stamped on them. The other questions I can't answer until I look closer at the slide movement at our next range day 9th Feb.
mags are not easy to find here for the older pistols so when they do come up for sale then we buy them.
FN 1900
FN 1910
FN 1910/22
Colt 1903 hammer less
I don't have mine yet so can't even look at it to see. No word from Cabela's, tried calling, didn't get a return call. Looks like I may have the holster before the pistol. That's due to come tomorrow. Got me curious to see how they work now.
A lot better than mine was as mine was a Nazi seizure with eagles on it. Don't know if it was assembled before they got it and then stamped it or if it was made under their supervision. People tend to say the guns made under their supervision might not work, mine had problems. The problems were probably more me that the gun as I was about 18 at the time and didn't know much about them. I had a model 35 Hi Power that also was Nazi stamped and in both cases lacked finish. I had it redone and it was flawless...shot it lots.
You could always just swap the strikers in these two for an hour and see if that's the problem.
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