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    It tops out at about the 87 mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GUTS View Post
    There were a few with full stocks(maybe that is why the band wear is on the barrel)and standard rear sights
    I would completely believe that...

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    I'm sure you guys all have this book
    Yes, I have that one too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    So...you don't think this barrel came off something else? No comment on the front barrel band shadow on the barrel? No one? Can also be seen in pic #4.
    A 1921 NM rifle would have looked just like a standard service rifle with a full length straight stock, hand guard, front bayonet band, and a rear barrel sight. The receiver sight was probably added when it was put in the 22 caliber stock. The polished bolt, polished rails, honed camming surfaces on the bolt and receiver, and star gauge number on the barrel would distinguish regular issue from NM. Some .30 caliber rifles were indeed built on M1922 stocks, but, these stocks would have had re-inforcing bolts.

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    I neglected to mention in my post above that the slightly rounded cutout in the forward
    part of the magazine well on the NRA Stock used on the 22 cal rifles is to allow for insertion of the .22 cal magazine. It is plainly visible in the photos of the stock posted above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m1903rifle View Post
    A 1921 NM rifle would have looked just like a standard service rifle with a full length straight stock, hand guard, front bayonet band, and a rear barrel sight.
    Gotcha...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GUTS View Post
    The star gauge mark was first used on the 1921 match rifles. The numbers didn't always have a letter included. I'm sure this is a star gauged barrel. The muzzle being worn make the stamp look fuzzy.
    I've owned two different 1921 NM rifles. Neither had the star stamp at the muzzle. I don't have the details of the first one I owned. But the second one was 1230998, Barrel date 4-21, and star guage record number C 1749. But there wasn't a star mark at the muzzle.

    I've seen 2 more 1921 NM rifles over the years, and neither of those two had the star mark as well.

    I remember all this because Brophy's book claims 1921 was the first year but that isn't what I have seen from the existing examples. I also hit the Archives and know I found the order to apply that star, but don't have a clue where it is in my files to find a definite date. Maybe it was a mid year change, I don't know . If I knew where the doc is in my files, I would post it.

    But I do know 100% for sure there are 1921 NM rifles out there without the star stamp at the muzzle.

    With that being said, I do think your rifle barrel is star guaged. I do think that is a star gauge registry number on the barrel. I am leary of that star stamp on the muzzle though. That stamp does not look right to me when I look at it.

    Are the receiver rails polished though? It should be easy to see.

    If the rails and follower are polished, I just think it's a sporterized NM rifle that someone turned into a sporter. It was really common back then. I actually found several pics and mentions of them putting 30CAL NM rifles in the .22 cal stocks at the Archives. But no it wouldn't have left SA in that configuration is what you were wondering. These were modifications that guys did to the rifles back then for target practice, since the NRA sporters were very popular back then. I imagine it was built into this configuration years after it was first built.
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    For example, 03 with a heavy barrel and M2 stock. Taken in 1940 as potential sniper rifle variant by the USMC.

    A lot of civilian owners built them this way too. I found mentions of that as well.


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    AV barrel

    Likely original barrel. "A V" stamp indicates an Avis barrel, finished by S.A., which was done on many NM rifles post WWI. Stock likely replaced...My $.02...

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    I'm going to put it back in a correct stock so I was wondering if the M1922 stock is worth anything to anyone. It's a very nice piece of wood with only 2 very small dings but it has had the pistol grip cap added and the cutout for the cut-off switch has been hacked into the side. Is it repairable or worth anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GUTS View Post
    I was wondering if the M1922 stock is worth anything to anyone.
    Put it in the WTS here and have pics available, I promise someone will need it.
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