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    Just want to clarify a few things about the US as far as I can tell. Cases are increasing dramatically. That's what everyone in the media is reporting. What they are not reporting is that testing is being done at a massive rate compared to when this all started. Hospitalizations and deaths are both in decline and have been for some time. There is no lag time or correlation between the two other than what President Trump has said. Increased testing has increased the number of positive cases. The percentage of positive cases out of all tested is also declining. There is no horror story here other than that which the leftist politicians and their media allies are telling. Our dictator here managed to do what I knew he would and get the state supreme court to side with him over the legislature. This will have to go to the federal supreme court. They now instituted mask wearing for all activities in public but have no way or intention of enforcing it so it's mostly being ignored. I still do not know a single person personally who has contracted the virus. No one in my extended family does either. The mass hysteria going on about all these states with massive increases in numbers of positive cases is partially true. But again, the testing has increased dramatically, these states are no where near the levels of hospitalizations or deaths as northern states yet people in some of these states are stating they are glad they don't live there. Case in point Pennsylvania's death rate per 100,000 was 54. Texas is 8, Florida somewhere around 12. Only Louisiana is higher at 61 and Mississippi is the next highest and is half Pennsylvania's at 27. Meanwhile, the United Statesicon per capita deaths are much lower than most of Western Europe's. We have a huge population, are testing now at a massive rate but as far as I can tell, this has been under control for well over a month everywhere. New York's governor has the gall to insist on quarantining people coming in from other states now when he had a fit when other states were quarantining New Yorkers back when they were the center of the entire virus in the US. New York States death rate is double the worst in Europes, Belgiumicon. But even there, the virus seems to have run it's course. Something like 5 new deaths per day.

    I saw mention of someone saying the feared the death rate in the US is four times the released numbers. On the contrary, they are probably half the released numbers as they are attributing everything they possibly can to covid 19. People who died in car accidents, had heart attacks and have even been shot have had covid listed as the cause. We are sick and tired of it here. This has simply become a political football with the Democrats trying to extend it and milk it for all they can while Trump ties to get things running again. Unemployment is dropping, Jobs are increasing, spending is increasing, the economy is starting to roll again. The riots are simmering down, actually haven't heard anything about them for a week now. Mayors have been forced to take back their cities because their attempt to get Trump to do it for them so they could attack him for it failed miserably and in Seattle, they were coming for the Mayors house so she was forced to act. They are now starting to make requests to the federal government to bail them out of the disaster the riots they failed to control caused. Not sure how that will go but they did not pay for the riots in Baltimore, I don't see Trump doing it here either. He told them to take care of it when it happened, they refused, they in fact encouraged it, backed the police out and left them go. Idiots.

    So basically there are several distinct camps. The largest is probably the one I belong too. We are listening to instructions and following them as we please and ignoring them as we please but basically following them more than not. The next largest groups are those that simply refuse to follow any instructions and get angry when they are called on it and those that are sheep following every rule because they are convinced they are going to die or kill grandma if they don't. Then there are the young people that simply stopped caring and are now hosting covid parties to see who gets sick first. Wouldn't surprise me that this group is made up of the protestors trying to destroy our history. And then there are the blacks, caught in the middle, suffering the most as their neighborhoods are the ones that got destroyed and they are also deeply divided. Many follow the sheep way of thinking while others are staunch defenders of our history and culture. something called the 1619 project which is a complete rewriting of history into something it never was that has fired a lot of them up on both sides.

    In any case, my day today was yard sales in the morning with not a single host household wearing masks, most "shoppers" including myself and my wife not wearing masks, and only a few wearing them. One woman screamed at us from her car to put our masks on at one sale. A trip to Walmart had most including myself wearing them, some with the nose uncovered and only a couple not wearing them. A later visit to the farmers market had more mixed results. Outside only a quarter were wearing them, inside only about half. The Mennonites and Amish were less than 10% wearing them. I wore inside but not outside except when going from building to building. Social distancing is declining in all places. Where people once made it a point to stay away, now they will brush right past you without thought. They took away nearly all our public fireworks celebrations. People are not happy about that. So our 4th celebration, a celebration of independence will be celebrated as dictated to us by the most oppressive state governments we have ever had in our nations existence. And sadly, most people seem to be content with it.

    Gun and ammo sales continue to skyrocket.

    So still somewhat hard to tell what is going on but truth is very elusive.
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    Have a great Independence Day, yankee friends! Best wishes from Italyicon!!!
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    I have my back up plan for when I run out of ammo this should do the deed on the zombies

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    I hear you Aragorn media does screw the truth and politicians can never tell the truth what is one to believe we were told a story today about 6-7 nurses who contracted the virus by sharing a lighter for a smoke who knows what is truth and what is not.
    They have said that China has been cyber attacking our Govt departments who knows we are lucky here that our premier has stayed the course and kept us some what insulated from whats happening over east with Victoria one can only do what one feels is the right thing to do in relation to protecting ourselves and our loved ones.
    Social distancing and keeping hygiene paramount we were out for 5 hours today on the bikes and within reason kept apart but it was hard at times to keep the 2 meter rule.
    What affect this will have on the future world who can say all I do is watch the news and sort the mountains of chaff from what little wheat there is in the mix and from this try and understand just what direction this will take and how the demographics of society will change in the future.

    Well all we can do is roll on and see where the tunnel goes............................................
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    The virus is Darwin's way of cutting down the herd. The virus is only doing what it is supposed to do. The human factor is the one spreads the disease. If you share a cigarette lighter and get the disease, well. Besides isn't smoking bad for your health. I would think nurses would know that.

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    I have my back up plan for when I run out of ammo this should do the deed on the zombies
    It's better than a BFR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CINDERS View Post
    I have my back up plan for when I run out of ammo this should do the deed on the zombies
    The Shin-Gunto solution. I will have to expend much ordinance before resorting to the Shin-Gunto solution. A worthy back up plan for which I to am prepared.

    Nice example BTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragorn243 View Post
    So still somewhat hard to tell what is going on but truth is very elusive.
    Perhaps not. I think you summed it up quite well and much better than those folks on TV that speak for brief increments between drug company and lawyer commercials.

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    The bottom line in all of this nonsense is, Things will not get back to "normal" until a vaccine is discover and released to the world. There is no one to be believe as each as their own political agenda and is using the virus as a political tool to spread fear and panic. The virus and Darwinism of course has their plan regardless of politics. The best is to shelter in place with your family, kept planning and stockpiling for the worst, as it may yet come. Stay safe and healthy.

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    My wife got sick a couple weeks ago . Went to the doctor and they prescribed a anti=nausea , anti-diarrhea and an antibiotic for a stomach infection .They also told her to go to the hospital for a test . she went there for a free test , they sent her to the Yuma Convention center , who sent her to the county health who sent her back to the hospital who sent her back to her doctor who told her to go to her other doctor . The next day her other doctor sent her to a clinic who sent her to another who sent her to another who sent her back to the hospital again who sent her to Walgreens who sent her to CVS who sent her to the other Walgreens who tried to send her 50-60 miles to a Walgreens in CA . ( knowing that Walgreens only tests those who live in that walgreen's zip code . Three weeks now and wife is well , still can't find anyone with a test kit , and we've said the 4377 with it .
    So , question , how do the infected number keep raising when no one is testing anyone ?

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    Every place she went probably wrote her up as being a Covid case. Then all sent their $Bill off to the Feds.
    I'm glad she is Ok, pretty frustrating ordeal !

    Friday of next week my Wife has to go in for a out patient procedure. But first both her and I (because I'll be taking her in) have to go to a drive thru testing set up at the MSU campus.
    The hospital has to see results before she can have the procedure. And they don't accept test results from the pharmacy set ups.

    Imagine IF your Wife was positive for Covid. And all the people she was just in contact with..........
    If the truth were told with her showing some of the symptoms, they 'Didn't' want to treat her because it shows a rise in local cases. Which may lead to more restrictions, closings, affect politicians ... etc.

    Still happy she's ok.

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    I have a big automatic line to deliver and install in Israel, but they're heading towards stricter rules and possibly a complete lockdown. My customer called me and told that yesterday, while having a meeting with the management, the technical manager, who is a Bedouin, rushed into the room and told everybody to just leave, because after a big Bedouin wedding, they had a big cluster of Covid. Now, they're just waiting for everything to shut down again. Oh my...
    I then made a joke and asked this guy if they were harassing the Iranians again. He giggled and answered that it might very well be.
    We live in strange days...
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