When it really happens: SHTF...

[Aragorn243]

Numbers rising in big jumps now as to numbers of deaths but this is supposed to be because of the timeline of the infections and is supposed to peak and decrease in a matter of days.

Went on my Walmart run this morning. They are required to limit the number of people in the store at any one time. I was 116 out of an allowed 1200 so nowhere near max. Margarine was all gone. Butter was low. Eggs were plentiful but more expensive. Meat was low. Most crackers, canned goods, boxed items were plentiful except for the specific types my wife sent me to get. Several of those were gone. I guess we like popular foods. They did not stock the new movies for the week which is the reason I picked Tuesday as shopping day. Not happy about that as it will require a second trip or we'll just wait till next Tuesday. They had the racks ready, just no movies. What aggravated me was that even though we are to be wearing masks now, only about a quarter of the people were, including the employees. Also saw a construction company working on non-emergency work on a house with three trucks present meaning multiple employees. This is not allowed at present and hasn't been for three weeks. Neighbors grandson (teen) was also visiting his 65+ grandparents. So a large percentage still are not taking this seriously.

NY still leads the country by a wide margin in total cases and deaths. As a comparison, NY has 138,863 cases to PA's 14,559 and NY has 5489 deaths to 240 in PA. NY is #4 in population with 19,453,561 people and PA is #5 with 12,801,989 and we are neighboring states so neither location nor population alone accounts for the massive differences. NY waited too long to act and acted poorly when they finally did.

[Ovidio]

Steve, I feel for you guys.
Here, right now, it looks like we’re reaching the top of the curve and might very well be already looking down to an end of it. How far, noone knows, but the numbers start to be encouraging.
NY seems like our Lombardy, with the very big difference that Lombardy has been struck by surprise. NY had time. But did not act... And now they try to blame others.
Margarine is not healthy, so get butter. Tastes better and is better
Since the times are somewhat particular, I’m sure your wife will overlook the fact that you did not get all the specific types of food Or products she sent you for.
What makes me think most is the failure to wear masks by the personnel in the shops. Until a couple days ago, here customers were not forced to, but I haven’t seen a single employee in any shop or supermarket not wearing mask and gloves. Since the first days of this sh...it.
Also the fact that people still do not recognize the gravity of the situation makes me wonder a lot.
It is probably some kind of mechanism in our heads, that tries to deny we’re in troubled waters beyond our control.
I’ll admit that I really hate this feeling, but I can’t get myself to such a point where I refuse reality.
We need to get the soldier out of ourselves. Obeying, and always ready.
Some may think people such as us are poor fools, but in my view, we’re the ones upon I would rely. Not others.
Some friends are really starting to suffer because of the economic situation. Independent workers, in the soviet republic of Italy, are considered the enemy of the “people”, and, even in such dire times, as such they are treated.
That strikes a very sensitive chord in my soul, because it is the fruit of a poisoned ideology, but it doesn’t seem to be somehow treatable... Maybe lead poisoning...but that is not allowed.
For what concerns me, I’m bored beyond bearability. I usually make 7km on my treadmill, but today I just could not stand the idea of playing the hamster and just decided to walk that distance in front of my home’s outer fence. Up and down it is 70 metres....
I walked almost 8 kms...
This is one of the reasons I feel for you most.
There comes a moment where you just want someone to step up and say something to cling to...like: people, you have to hold on for two more months, then it’ll all be over. You could just swallow it and look forward.
But we keep getting contradicting information, and that is killing us.
More and more people just stopped obeying...
So, I wish you all the best, Keep positive and look forward to the exit.

[Aragorn243]

I expect most Americans have a different way of looking at things. For instance, here in PA, the total number of people that have tested positive for the virus is .1%. That's 1 out of 1000 people. It's kind of hard getting excited about such a small number and probably why there is a general lack of compliance with the masks, etc. We are social distancing, that's been done very well here. Not in NYC where they continue to ride the subways in crowded cars however.

And while we will probably surpass Italy in number of deaths, no one here other than the politicians really care. And I'm serious about that. 60,000 Americans die from the flu every year. That's what we put things like this into perspective of.

Not trying to make light of the deaths but 170,000 die in this country from accidents. Falling down the stairs, traffic accident, drowning in the bathtub.

Expectations continue to decline for this. Latest i heard today was 50,000, maybe less. Granted that's because of the extreme measures put in place but it's way below the high end of 2 millions if nothing was done and the 200,000 predicted just last week. People here are ready to go back to normal and I expect things will reopen for good or bad at the end of the month. There will be some modifications, I expect the elderly will be quarantined as well as the most vulnerable. But everyone else will be back to work the restaurants open, etc. Only thing I see stopping that is if it suddenly starts affecting the general population in the same manner it is the elderly.

I learned today that the CDC has instructed hospitals to list COVID-19 as cause of death if it is even suspected of contributing to someones death. No confirmation by testing required. So anyone with a cough that dies is listed as COVID. Kind of inflates the numbers a bit.

[Flying10uk]

Regarding masks in the UK right now, it is very much a matter of personal choice, and where I live most people appear to currently wear no form of mask or respirator when outside of their home. Things may be different in London but right now I would say, in general terms, across the whole of the UK the majority of people still do not wear any form of mask or respirator when outside of their home. As previously stated, I do wear a full respirator when going into shops and this is because I am more concerned about my family's health than my own.

I rather think that the UK, as a whole, currently has a slightly different "take" on the wearing of masks in relation to Covid-19 than to many other countries.

[Gil Boyd]

Yes I heard a health professional say just that, wearing of masks isn't essential, and yet they are absolutely covered in A&E and ICU units. Bit misleading for the average Joe in the street.
Surely, it is passed in the main by droplets, so masks should be advised??

[22SqnRAE]

Yes I heard a health professional say just that, wearing of masks isn't essential, and yet they are absolutely covered in A&E and ICU units. Bit misleading for the average Joe in the street.
Surely, it is passed in the main by droplets, so masks should be advised??

Gil, I tend to believe what the docs are saying and am not doubting their logic here. Taking a rather circumspect approach is sensible for them, because of their constant, or repeated exposure to the risk for longer duration than most would in normal environmental settings.

As for anyone who is 'nipping out for some groceries' then provided they apply the recommended safe distancing, hygiene measures and don't expose themselves in uncontrolled environments with high risk individuals, they are most likely (statistically speaking) to be fine. There's no guarantees, here. Remember, this isn't an instantaneously infectious disease that will manage to pass between people in close proximity. It needs to be persistent contact and then transferred to enter the body's soft interior tissue especially the alimentary canal or eyes.

When we are finally told about the truth of the infected victims and the terminal cases here in Oz, we actually find that their behaviour, locations, environments and actions have lead to a simple conclusion of: "Well, that was going to end in tears..."

For those repeatedly or frequently exposed for longer periods to infected people, yes, they need added protection. For people with existing weakening illnesses or conditions, aged or infirm, they too need additional protective measures. But for generally fit and healthy types, that adhere to the warnings, procedures, decontamination processes, I'd wager they have a high chance of getting by just fine.

I think to be alert and defensive to a reasonable degree makes sense. To be afraid, excessively worried and highly limited in everyday life as a result, doesn't make sense.

For those of us who endured NBCD (or whatever the acronym is nowadays) training - or worse, became an instructor ( I shudder remembering that...) we were taught to operate under the conditions and not be afraid, but to trust our equipment and procedures. I think some of that recolelciton now might be helpful. I'm not saying there's no risk, that's foolish. I'm suggesting that it's really not all that bad as it may seem, and the statistics are showing this won't end life as we know it.

[Gil Boyd]

BLOT, BANG, RUB.....................I wait with baited breath every evening for my wife to continue the training

[Havenot]

Big Thanks: Big Thanks to my Dentist Dr. C and the dental tech who came into the office today to treat me on an emergency basis. Heartfelt thanks.

Yes...my wife lost a crown a couple weeks ago...the dentist set a Sunday afternoon appointment and installed a new crown for her

[Surpmil]

Some interesting comments from a front line doctor in New York. (He has a couple of other videos too)



And a very detailed explanation of why vitamin C, aka Ascorbic Acid is so effective at preventing and treating this. Best watched at 1.25 or 1.5x IMHO. The host is a bit odd, but this lady knows her stuff, whoever she is. There's plenty of evidence this is clearly being used in China.



Along with more than 80% of drugs used in the USA, China makes most of the Ascorbic Acid as well, so they have plenty on hand.

As per my post a week or two back, if you're concerned about Covid-19 I'd suggest getting on with this. One of the interesting comments in the second video was that some individuals are showing significant and possibly permanent lung damage even though they either recovered from, or did not ostensibly suffer from the virus (asymptomatic).

[Gil Boyd]

Wasn't she the clown who said 60GHz is what was killing people via 5G leading to hundreds of masts being set on fire?