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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzac15 View Post
    there appears to be a bit of script here
    If you are referring to the faint marks that can be seen about 1 cm below the "3 short rivets" decoration, then I agree. A curved script line beneath an almost scrubbed-out emblem.

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    Yep, once some of the grime was wiped away, you can really see it all along the length of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick View Post
    If you are referring to the faint marks that can be seen about 1 cm below the "3 short rivets" decoration, then I agree. A curved script line beneath an almost scrubbed-out emblem.
    Yep, that's it.

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    There is a technique called "reflectance transformation imaging" that is used by archaeologists to bring up old inscriptions. YouTube has some examples. For many of the inquiries we get here, it would be very helpful.

    Unfortunately, without having the necessary equipment, one can only use the "squint and rotate under a strongly directional light" method, relying on the brain to form a kind of average impression - the "joining the dots" effect. Give it a try Anzac15 !
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    I've been using the 'squint' technique under light with a loop, lol. There is definitely something there, and some sort of symbol(?) above the 'script'. Unfortunately, it's too worn to make any kind of guess as to what it is.

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    Copied the 'script' as best I could. Definitely an emblem or symbol above it, but too worn to make out. The more I look at this pistol, the more Turkishicon miquelet it looks, at least the barrel.

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    That's a tough one. The first letter (i,e the rightmost one!) looks like the sound "9ayn".
    The final letter (the leftmost one!) looks like "mim".

    The problem with the middle letter is that the small sign above is either "hamza" - the glottal stop sign, usually transliterated as ` - in which case the middle letter ought to be a vowel.
    OR it is "shadda" - the doubling sign for a consonant. But the joined letter beneath it can hardly be anything other than a "t" - but this should have a double dot above the apex - unless, of course, the small sign is a sloppy kind of handwritten double-dot.

    Nothing fits well. Something like " 9attama " - which would mean "delay" in Arabic.

    Now it's your turn to guess!

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    I'll try to get some clearer pics...I've been wondering if it's the name of the barrel maker(?)

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    ...anyway, I think we're talking slightly at cross-purposes here!

    The "sort-of-kind-of-Arabic-ish-script" is that within the "tombstone" mark right in the center of our photo. That would be the likely place for a maker's mark.

    What I was thinking of in a previous post was in the bottom eighth of the photo. The decoration ends with a ring of what I termed "short rivets" standing on their heads. Now look below that. I see - or imagine that I see - a curved script line below a faint impression of a figure. One can even imagine a couple of letters. Something like **DEC. The figure looks like a side view of a man's head and torso facing to the left.

    I realise that this is my visual imagination working overtime - probably one of the side effects of lockdown - but that is the area which I invite you to inspect.
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    ... Well, did you look at what I mentioned?
    About 2cm from the bottom of your photo in Post #15, at about the same level as the nipple boss.

    It was a serious suggestion.

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    Yep, I've looked all over that area where you've described, I don't see anything like that. May be a trick of the lighting.
    An interesting update, an associate who is big on oddballs like this has informed me that the barrel may indeed have some serious age to it, possibly 18th, early 19th century.

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