Irwin Pedersen and Rock Ola M2 Carbines

[Promo]

The title might raise higher expectations than what in fact I can show. These are not complete rifles but "just" receivers. Both were restamped to M2 and therefore once must had been M2 Carbines. I back then originally bought them for the makers and considered the fact that they were restamped to M2 an interesting detail atop. In fact I might even build up two M2 Carbines based on them since this would allow me to use any parts I have at hand for the build and not painfully trying to find the correct parts.

Has anyone ever seen the serial of an IP (or any other manufacturer) re-applied in front of the rear sight? I guess this might had been a result of the rear sight partically covering the serial, or what would be the reason for this? And which barrel manufacturer should I keep my eyes open to find to make either of them at least correct matching for the receiver/barrel combination? Same applies to the bolt, are there specific numbers/codes that I need to keep my eyes open for?

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[jond41403]

I have no idea what the laws are in Europe where you are located but here in the states, what you are thinking about doing would entail a lot of money and hoops to jump through to build up an m2 legally. actually, if it's unregistered , there is no way to build up the m2 legally .as far as I know even just the receivers that have an m2 stamping, have to be registered. I noticed you have been a longtime member here and may even be an expert and may even know exactly what you are doing and I apologize if that is the case. I just felt compelled to warn you just in case you didn't know. I live in Tennessee in the states where we have extremely relaxed gun laws and we had a guy about eight or nine years back that had his confiscated right there on the range by law enforcement and all he had was an m2 marked receiver, and didn't even have any of the m2 parts in the carbine and they still confiscated it.evidently the range officer noticed what the guy had and quietly called the cops. I didn't personally know the man but people on the gun range talked about it for years. The receiver evidently was not registered and was still considered a machine gun by law even though it didn't have any of the machine gun parts in it. Again, sorry if you already know all of this, a lot of people don't.

[Promo]

As I had written above, these items are perfectly legal. And I am allowed to own them as pictured, as well as I am allowed to assemble them into complete guns. So no worries from this side.

[Eaglelord17]

Many European countries don't care if you have 'converted autos'. To them a semi-auto is a semi-auto, whether or not it was a full auto earlier in life.

[painter777]

I guess this might had been a result of the rear sight partically covering the serial,

Hello Promo,
Your correct about the SN# being stamped forward because of a later style rear adj sight being installed.

Wait for fellow member TenOcee to stop by. He has some good notes on IP's as far as serial range and barrel use.

Cheers,

[tenOC]

For certain I collect serial numbers for IP especially, so any that can be posted, PMed or emailed would be welcome. For the IP a barrel by Underwood dated in the 1-43 to 4-43 would prob be most common. Later dates can be found. There's also a possibility of a Rockola barrel dated 1-43.
A small P proofing should be around 6-1/2" or a little more from the muzzle and a 2nd P isn't uncommon.

[painter777]

TEN,
Here are a few I found in old links here........
Some reported Original, some rebuilds.
Assuming all were as reported as having original barrels.

IP
1,765,xxx with Rock-Ola 2-43
1,777,4xx with UEF 2-43
1,771,6xx with UEF 1-43
1,781,2xx with UEF 8-43
1,772,2xx with UEF 1-43
1,771,58x with Rock Ola 1-43
1,771,99x with Rock-Ola 2-43
1,773,5xx with UEF 1-43
1,773,11X with Rock Ola 3-43 (CMP Auction)
1,776,xxx with Rock Ola 12-42

Here is a list that was posted by long lost member Maniac (Charlie)

IP:
1.76xxxx with Rock-Ola 1/43
1.77xxxx with UEF 1/43
1.771xxx with Rock-Ola (undated)
1.776xxx with Rock-Ola 3/43
1.781090 with UEF 2/43 (GB 09-2009)
1.789775 with UEF 3/43 (GB 1-2010)
1.791979 with 6/43 UEF
3.213xxx with UEF 2/43
3.213xxx with UEF 3/43
3.216xxx with UEF 12/42
3.222568 with UEF 4/43 rblt (CMPicon/GB)
3,216,6xx with UEF 2-43

Maniac had listed these also:

S'G'
1.764xxx with 8/43 UEF
1.766109 9/43 UEF rblt (GB 11-2009)
1.791xxx with 6/43 UEF
1.800xxx with 3/43 Inland
1.815xxx with 4/44 UE
1.822935 with 8-43 UEF rblt
1.823xxx with 9/43 UEF
1.823135 with 8/43 UEF bbl
1.824xxx with 8/43 UEF
1.831xxx with 8/43 Buffalo Arms
1.833636 with 8/43 Buffalo Arms
1.834xxx with 8/43 Buffalo Arms
1.844xxx with 3/43 Rock-Ola
1.856126 with 9/43 UEF rblt (1-10 GB)
1.860xxx with 11/43 IBM
1.8713xx with 9/43 UEF
3.229xxx with 3/43 UEF rblt (1-10 GB)
3.2xxxxx with 4/43 UEF
3.2226xxx with 4/43 UEF
3.233xxx with 12/43 UEF
3.234025 receiver (GB 1-10)
3.2364xx with 6/43 UEF
3.239xxx with 6/43 UEF
3.241xxx with 6/43 UEF rblt
3.244xxx with 6/43 UEF
3.258963 with 3/44 UEF rblt (GA 1-10)
3.554xxx with Saginaw
3.557xxx with 11/43 UEF rblt
3.594509 with 7/43 Buffalo Arms (10-1009 GB)
3.599xxx with 9/43 Buffalo Arms
3.605xxx 11-43 Inland rblt
3.624662 WT with Saginaw rblt
3.635xxx with Saginaw
3.6489xx with 11-43 Inland
3.650947 with 9/43 UEF
3.6xxxxx with Saginaw

SG

3.216757 with Saginaw rblt (GB 11-2008)
3.220xxx with 8/43 UEF
3.298xxx with 10/43 Inland
3.2xxxxx with undated IBM
3.327xxx with UEF 7/43
3.341043 with Saginaw
3.353010 with 1/43 WRA rblt (GB 1-10)
3.353xxx with Saginaw
3.3x4541 with Saginaw (CMP forum Bavarian)
3.35xxxx with Saginaw rblt (GB 11-2008)
3.358xxx with 6/43 UEF
3.364xxx with Saginaw
3,367310 with Saginaw rblt (GB 11-2008)
3.374059 with Saginaw (CMP forum)
3.392327 with Saginaw rblt br (GB 1-10)
3.403xxx with undated IBM
3.404707 with Saginaw rblt (GB 1-2010)
3.405xxx with Saginaw
3.407xxx with Saginaw
3.417xxx with Saginaw
3.429xxx with 4/44 Inland (GB 11-2008)
3.477xxx with Saginaw
3.488766 with 8/44 UEF rblt (GB 1-10)
3.49xxxx with 3/44 UEF
3.513527with Saginaw (CMP forum)
3.516540 5/44 Inland rblt
3.537xxx with Saginaw
3.594xxx with 11/43 Inland
5.851xxx with Saginaw
5.858xxx with 1/44 Inland


About all I can do today,

[tenOC]

Excellent. It helps. My data probably doesn't mean as much to other people. I only collect complete serials because it's the specific Carbine I'm interested in and not patterns of parts. It's probably a miss on my part but it's what Ive done.

When someone sends me a serial through wufoo I collect what is given and make a note it's a Wuffoo submission so that I protect that info for the owner.