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    .. another fun fact is that it was not technically illegal to possess Nuclear weapons in UKicon until comparatively recently..!


    It now is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bombdoc View Post
    .. another fun fact is that it was not technically illegal to possess Nuclear weapons in UKicon until comparatively recently..!


    It now is!
    No one told me, I've still got a We177 tactical fee fall bomb on my FAC.

    I've never found a range with sufficient energy clearance to let me use it unfortunately.....😀

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrclark303 View Post
    No one told me, I've still got a We177 tactical fee fall bomb on my FAC.

    I've never found a range with sufficient energy clearance to let me use it unfortunately.....😀
    Must be a bugger to show clear to the RO.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeeRam View Post
    Must be a bugger to show clear to the RO.....
    No problems, I trailer it in with a yellow chamber flag shoved up it's arse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bombdoc View Post
    Thank you Stephen, for your response regarding the ownership of recovered military ammunition... we shall just have to agree to disagree!

    I would however like to clarify the legal basis for your statement "Only standard ball and tracer projectiles are legal to possess without a relevant licence."? According to my reading of the Firearms acts, these items fall under Section 1 of the Act and require a licence to possess? The only ammunition that does not require a specific licence is blank and shotgun cartridges having more than five projectiles which fall under Section 2 of the Act, although technically these should only be sold to someone who can produce the relevant shotgun licence..? The point I was trying to make that it is up to the possessor to demonstrate that what they have is clearly not "Ammunition" that falls under the Acts. Live Ball and tracer ammunition most certainly does fall into Section 1 and requires an annotated Licence to possess.

    I am the first to admit that UKicon firearms law is a complete mess, and that both the Police, courts and the Home Office seem wholly incapable of managing the subject area in a sensible or logical manner. I am well aware of the fact that a market exists for recovered and imported ammunition, however I suspect that this is poorly regulated and is neither logical or coherent.

    Recent actions and events, including indeed a much respected contributor to this board have fallen foul of issues of ownership, title and possession..! My intention in posting the warning was to make it clear that this is not, as you allege, a clearly defined legal area. I will repeat my warning that possessing and trading in military munitions is full of potential pitfalls, both physically and legally, and that folk need to be aware of this!
    I think RRPG is referring to the projectiles not the round when he says that Ball and tracer projectiles are legal, which he is correct. A complete round is classed as live under section one or five (depending on projectile type) when it has a projectile, charge and primer. You can legally purchase and own FMJ projectiles without license however you would need a section 1 for frangible projectiles or a section 5 for armour piercing projectiles the same as the complete round. You can purchase an armour piercing round if the armour piercing component has been removed i.e. Boys projectile sans tungston core freely enough as it leaves the FMJ in place however I’ve never heard anything of how the CPS would view this. I assume they are content that as the core has been removed it is no longer classed as AP, however we know how attitudes change and assumption makes an *** out of you and me.

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    I've always found the fact that shotgun cartridges are not licenced a real peculiarity of our licencing law.

    The vast majority of firearms related crime in the UKicon is shotgun related after all.

    When you consider that when knuckles and big Verne decide to rob a bank with a shooter, it will be a sawn off shotgun they reach for every time!


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