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    How rare is a matching No1 MkI Non Irish Contract

    Just curious how rare a matching No1 MkI, MkI*, MkI*** or MkI*** is that is not an Irish Contract CR or ER marked in America? If super rare in America what about elsewhere in the world that isn't a deactivated rifle?




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    Quote Originally Posted by capt14k View Post
    Just curious how rare a matching No1 MkI, MkI*, MkI*** or MkI*** is that is not an Irish Contract CR or ER marked in America? If super rare in America what about elsewhere in the world that isn't a deactivated rifle?
    Maybe pedantic but with such similar numbers the use of the correct nomenclature is important.

    There is no such rifle as a No1 Mk1 it was simply a SHTLE 1 ( or 1**** etc) These days often called a MK1 but not marked as such

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    Mark 1 series rifles in the USA

    Most of the Mark 1*** rifles in the USAicon are Irish contact, the CR rifles are mixed parts, the ER are mostly original and the G series are not as common.

    Years ago I found an all matching BSA 1906 Mark 1*** s/n s over 87176 and without any Irish markings, not common to find and never found another.

    Also found a Enfield 1907 ConD 11* still with the early Mark V1 sights and still in 303 cal

    To find anything without the Irish Contract is not common

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    I have an unfortunate (for my wallet) tendency to pick up poor wandering Mk I's whenever they cross my path at a reasonable price. I've yet to come across a non-Irish example.

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    Does the "Irish contract" prefix make them more or less valuable in the US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying10uk View Post
    Does the "Irish contract" prefix make them more or less valuable in the US?
    Definitely less valuable, though they are still valuable rifles.

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    another variation ConD 11*

    My friend found this at a remote gun show in Wisconsin and bought it, later sold it to me.

    I did find a Mark 1 front hand guard and early magazine. the late Skip Stratton told me some left over Mark 1 actions were also used besides conversions to build the Mark 1 rifles. I have never seen another in the USAicon in 303 cal.

    Any Mark 1 variation without Irish stamps is not at all common in the US

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    Thank you for confirming my observations that most MkI** and variants are Irish Contract in the States. How about in places like South Africa, Australiaicon, and New Zealand?


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    These are rare in the USAicon without a doubt. The majority were converted into different configurations or chewed up in WWI. Collectors have imported a few from NZ and Australiaicon (i.e. Queensland Police examples). I’ve seen a few in many years of collecting L.E.s.
    In the past year or so one sold on GB for $3K+. Irish guns are not hard to find, though condition usually isn’t the best.

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    In answer to the question, I would say that the Irish Contract rifles do have a soft spot in the United Statesicon and well worth seeking out, because of the sheer heritage of many U.S families with that Irish family connection who emigrated there years before any rebellion or struggle by the Irish Republican Army in 1916. Ireland has struggled against Britishicon rule in 1691/1798 and the Easter Rising on 1916. Many of these rifles were in existance then.
    IMHO of course I would definately be buying one if I had the heritage, and if I was an American, as they speak history out loud if you find one over there, it would have certainly done the rounds !
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