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    Ross bayonet fitting problems

    Got a bayonet to go with my newly acquired Mk II 3* but it will not fit all the way in. There is a 1/8-inch or so gap At the muzzle and at the bayo lug. Nothing is in the bayo slot although the metal in there looks weird like the metal is separating. The barrel on the rifle is 28-inches. Not sure what is going on so any advice or comments would be greatly appreciated. Here on some photos. Thank you.





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    Your mortise slot appears to have been hammered. Or is your muzzle ring and crosspiece straight/vertical? If there's a lean or bend it won't slip on. Have you tried the nylon hammer to seat it?
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    It would appear the fastening lug on the bayonet which when slotted in will click as it mates with the corresponding hole, is still out slightly. My advice, is to give the hole a damn good cleaning you may find some residue of over zealous cleaning and leaving oil and debris in the lug catchment area.
    Good luck report back, always interested to hear of bayonets that don't fit matching rifles.
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    A side pic of the cross piece while sort of attached to the muzzle would help to see if the cross piece is at 90 degrees to the muzzle...too.
    Regards, Jim

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    Thank you for the replies.
    Gil - i did clean the hole/slot out. The bayo did not come with the rifle but is a 1909 manufacture like the rifle. Also US marked.
    Jim - the back of the bayo has been hammered significantly. Did not notice this before. Why would someone do that? I think the damage is just to the back. I am not sure what exactly is the side of the cross piece. Here are a few more photos.








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    Found my nylon hammer. Not exactly expedient for a battle rifle. And the release button will not depress at all.

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    Give it a good saoking it'll free up. It looks like, what we used to do when you needed a hammer, nothing more nothing less, squaddie mentality, and in doing so may have caused a little movement at the crucial connection parts. See how it is after a soak in a decent 3 in one type reliever!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by levallois View Post
    Why would someone do that?
    A notorious alternative use for bayonets, by soldiers from any nation, is as hammers. If a soldier needs a hammer, in the field, but doesn't have one available, something that a soldier often does have is a bayonet. Unfortunately, I do not know of any bayonet manufacturer who designed their bayonet also as a hammer. In other words bayonets do not make good hammers but sometimes they get used as such and so the bayonet suffers the consequences.

    Check that the cross piece is flat. If slightly bent may not be allowing bayonet to slide fully back and catch to fully engage.
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    Thanks Gil, a soaking with Kroil did the trick and the release button is free. Unfortunately, I had to use the nylon hammer to get it back off while pushing in the button.
    Please excuse my ignorance, Flying10uk, but where is the "cross piece?" And I can see soldiers using the bayonet as a substitute for a variety of tools including a hammer, pry bar, screw driver, can opener, axe, etc. Thanks for the reply!

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    Quote Originally Posted by levallois View Post
    where is the "cross piece?
    The cross piece would be called a quillion as it protects the fingers from the opponent's blade...in this case has the muzzle ring on one end and the finger guard on the other. Thus across the blade. The muzzle ring may be leaning back because the other thing people have used bayonets for is throwing knives. Not just soldiers. The mortise slot would be the top side of the pommel, the butt shows hammering too, these have been used for tools in the hundred odd rears since made. The button won't release now? Nylon hammer again and some forward push against the pommel of the bayonet to unseat it...then some body work for you to do.
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