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    safety and shootability. to get a modern produced rifle fixed up close to a military surplus set up rifle, is going to cost as much as a shooter grade 03a2. Lot of shooter grade surplus rifles out there, but its hard to figure out the right one.

    Sure a worn out enfield can be fun, but getting that burnt out barrel replaced going to cost more then the gun is worth. Carcano carbines at buds seem nice, but that short barrel gives me the willies.

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    Getting the best bang for your buck is a tough one.

    Its O.K. to ask for advice or other opinions, but when you get down to it, nobody can pick out your fishing rod for you. Otherwise, we would all be dating/married to the same girl.

    I've always thought that the Israeli Mauser K98ks converted to 7.62 NATO or the Mauser 95/1916 7.62 NATO conversion would be a great all round gun - when they could be purchased at a reasonable price. A Kongsberg M59F1 wasn't even in the picture.

    Tough durable rifles with ammunition available everywhere. However, I REALLY disliked the 7.62 stamped on the receiver ring. It was like punching a pretty girl in the nose.
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    Safety wise, most milsurps in good condition are pretty safe to shoot provided your not going beyond what was expected of the rifle in the first place. Certain rifles you need to take more care with, such as Gewehr 88s which can have a variety of factors that can make them less safe if you don't know what your doing.

    For shooting, common ammo rifles which don't cost a small fortune are things like Israeli K98ks or other M98 Mausers that were converted to 7.62 NATO (tons of countries did this conversion as it just involved replacing the barrel, ex. Chileanicon M1912s etc.), Ishapore 2A1 Lee Enfields in 7.62 NATO, Brazilan Mausers in .30-06, Mexican Mausers in .30-06, Swedishicon Mausers are a great buy (M38s are better for the shooter because of the lower minimum sight setting) thought the 6.5 ammo is more expensive, Finnishicon Mosins can be a lot of fun (the better shooting variants being the M28/30 and M39) and the ammo is fairly cheap, K31s are excellent shooters and if you find the ammo at the right price a steal of a deal the other Swissicon Straight pull designs are also fun but have 300m minimum rear sight settings.

    Lee Enfields can be good but the ammo is more expensive and you have to be a bit careful with them (at least in Canadaicon, we have a cottage industry 'restoring' sporters and many are shoddily done). If you wanted to go the .303 route a P14 is a better choice for being a shooter, and the M1917 is also a great choice as well being in .30-06. Arisakaicon Type 99s are also excellent shooters and usually have VG+ bores, very easy to reload for but commercial ammo is difficult. You could also go any number of Mausers in 8mm, but ammo costs are higher. Frenchicon Berthiers are also a ton of fun, and if the bore is in VG+ condition exceptionally accurate. They are easy to reload for, but can be expensive if your buying factory ammo.

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    I still vote for the Swedes.
    Or, alternatively, for a Brazilianicon in 7x57.
    Inexpensive to reload and very accurate.
    Actually, that might very well be my preferred rifle.
    But I like them all, actually...
    I also feel a tad guilty that I didn’t mention the Mosin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovidio View Post
    I still vote for the Swedes.
    Or, alternatively, for a Brazilianicon in 7x57.
    Inexpensive to reload and very accurate.
    Actually, that might very well be my preferred rifle.
    But I like them all, actually...
    I also feel a tad guilty that I didn’t mention the Mosin...
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    I do... I do
    But also my no. 1 mk3* would be great
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglelord17 View Post
    Safety wise, most milsurps in good condition are pretty safe to shoot provided your not going beyond what was expected of the rifle in the first place. Certain rifles you need to take more care with, such as Gewehr 88s which can have a variety of factors that can make them less safe if you don't know what your doing.

    For shooting, common ammo rifles which don't cost a small fortune are things like Israeli K98ks or other M98 Mausers that were converted to 7.62 NATO (tons of countries did this conversion as it just involved replacing the barrel, ex. Chileanicon M1912s etc.), Ishapore 2A1 Lee Enfields in 7.62 NATO, Brazilan Mausers in .30-06, Mexican Mausers in .30-06, Swedishicon Mausers are a great buy (M38s are better for the shooter because of the lower minimum sight setting) thought the 6.5 ammo is more expensive, Finnishicon Mosins can be a lot of fun (the better shooting variants being the M28/30 and M39) and the ammo is fairly cheap, K31s are excellent shooters and if you find the ammo at the right price a steal of a deal the other Swissicon Straight pull designs are also fun but have 300m minimum rear sight settings.

    Lee Enfields can be good but the ammo is more expensive and you have to be a bit careful with them (at least in Canadaicon, we have a cottage industry 'restoring' sporters and many are shoddily done). If you wanted to go the .303 route a P14 is a better choice for being a shooter, and the M1917 is also a great choice as well being in .30-06. Arisakaicon Type 99s are also excellent shooters and usually have VG+ bores, very easy to reload for but commercial ammo is difficult. You could also go any number of Mausers in 8mm, but ammo costs are higher. Frenchicon Berthiers are also a ton of fun, and if the bore is in VG+ condition exceptionally accurate. They are easy to reload for, but can be expensive if your buying factory ammo.
    the definition of good condition is different here on this forum, then it is at online retailers like Classic, JG sales, or even on gun broker, where a revolver with a seller rating of "nra good to very good" can mean "bulged and split barrel, with cracked frame at forcing cone." And no one wants to take a return if you cant travel from say Kentucky to Oregon to return it in person.

    Always liked the look of the K31 and other swiss rifles, but I can never find the ammunition that matches the rifles that DO show up for sale online.

    I do like the look of the swedes, and the cartridge is perhaps the only caliber starting with a 6 that is, or will be worth buying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pocketshaver View Post
    the definition of good condition is different here on this forum, then it is at online retailers like Classic, JG sales, or even on gun broker, where a revolver with a seller rating of "nra good to very good" can mean "bulged and split barrel, with cracked frame at forcing cone." And no one wants to take a return if you cant travel from say Kentucky to Oregon to return it in person.

    Always liked the look of the K31icon and other swiss rifles, but I can never find the ammunition that matches the rifles that DO show up for sale online.

    I do like the look of the swedes, and the cartridge is perhaps the only caliber starting with a 6 that is, or will be worth buying.
    Those retailers aren't using proper NRA standards then and they have to return it or they can be sued for fraud. When it is something like the bluing is 70% when it is advertised as 75%, good luck. But when the barrel is bulged or split and it was advertised as VG, you have a clear case to get refunded.

    Personally when I sell I always disclose any flaws I can think of to the buyer. I have never had anyone ask for it to be returned as they knew exactly what they were buying. Being in the USAicon I would just go to gunshows if condition is a concern. I have only been to one in the States and I was blown away by the variety available.

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