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    Your AK & S is 207 later than mine on my 1944 M47C & AK & S 16684 judging from the wrist it may have been sanded a little but who knows its a very nice weapon and worth hanging on to the CES kits and transport cases are hard to come by I've given up as it would cost to much and years of trolling the web for genuine and then its still a put together.
    I have purchased a repro scope tin and a correct 3 draw telescope & leather carrying pouch but stopped as WWII CES kit bits do not come up often and empty your wallet quicker than a hooker on Boogie Street.
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    They don’t come better than that! All original. Great score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    Great rifle there, and perhaps I will stick my neck out and say somewhere in the £4500-£5000 GBP pounds range, but if you have any provenance, that could go further.
    As Roger says, I would not argue with that if it donned my hands, lovely piece and thanks for the images which to me confirms a genuine piece alround regardless what certain people have told you..........they are simply splitting hairs, it was busy times and things sometimes didn't go to plan.
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    Wow thats a lot of money in Yankee greenbacks!

    The only provenance i have is that it was purchased by my friend's father from a farmer in Appleton NY in the early 1960's...that and $2 will probably get me a coffee

    Seems most of these are import marked in some way, either at the muzzle or the old style of just "ENGLAND" stamped in the receiver. This has no such marks anywhere on it. I would highly doubt this came home in some GI's barracks bag? Any idea when the Britishicon started to surplus these to the US? Im also only a few miles from the Canadian border, could have been in Canadaicon and made its way across the Niagara river (it has no Canadian ownership marks though)


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    Sling?
    What about it?
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    A lovely matching No.4 Mk.I (T). The sling is the correct U.S. M1907!and is dated 1918 which most of these are on the No. Mk.I (T) rifles.

    Canadaicon apparently used lots of Britishicon made sniper rifles in WWII. I have only come across one with Canadian issue C/|\ (with arrow inside the C) marking. It is possible that yours was sold surplus by Canada .

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    Thank you for the insights and comments gents. I traded a CMPicon field grade M1icon Garand ($700) and $2k cash for it.
    I think i did pretty well. This one i doubt will ever leave my collection and it’s probably the only thing I’ll ever own touched by Holland & Holland

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    I think you still got a bargain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JT76 View Post
    Thank you for the insights and comments gents. I traded a CMPicon field grade M1icon Garand ($700) and $2k cash for it.
    I think i did pretty well.
    You certainly did

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    When I just came out from my Army duty, I went to a gun shop in Milan, known for milsurps.
    They had 3 or 4 Enfield T4s in the original crate, with full equipment and and paperworks. Coming from the Italianicon Army, which was dismissing all the older stuff.
    They also had plenty of Garands, again sniper ones. Same full optionals...
    The prices, in 1996, where 3.5 and 4.5 million Lire. The more expensive ones being the Enfields. Today I guess that would mean somewhere around 3-4000 €, probably more. And they did not have the appeal they have today.
    I drooled before them, but I was poor, looking for a job (which I found in a matter of minutes. After telling that I had been an officer in the Alpini, all companies offered me a job. That was amazing!!! - How much our kids are losing because of this lack of "martial" time...) and wanted to marry my wonderful girlfriend (still my wife). Sometimes, when you have the food, you lack the teeth (we say so...).

    So...yes, you scored a bargain!
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    34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini

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    The Chest, No15 might still be in the neighbour's barn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surpmil View Post
    The Chest, No15 might still be in the neighbour's barn.
    Believe me, i certainly asked! The first 2 American owners of this rifle are long dead though... i think the other goodies are lost to time.

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