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    Quote Originally Posted by RobD View Post
    I find it difficult to understand how a wood/metal object remembers the shot before, and fires a predictable sequence. Is it not possible that the shooter was correcting for the previous shot by aiming off? That would explain the observed pattern.
    What happens when another shooter uses the rifle?
    Other shooter has used it with the same effect. Both have used it in a lead sled with the same results. All shots being at 100 yds. No issues with any of my other Lee Enfields like this.

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    Is the trigger-guard firmly retaining the fore-end? Are the "draws" that mate with the sear-lug blocks mating symmetrically and fully?

    The trick with these beasties is that the fore-end bedding is totally unlike what one expects after tinkering with one-piece stock systems. Two-piece stock systems are not inherently inferior on a rifle. There are several "sporting" rifles that have two-piece stocks and impressive consistency down-range. Also, consider a couple of military sniping rigs; The L42A1 and the Frenchicon FR-F2. Then you get all modern and consider the performance of AR- based rifles. Not only two-piece (three, really), stocks but a TWO-PIECE receiver setup.

    Have a look back at the various "How to" articles on setting up the bedding, as published hereabouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce_in_Oz View Post
    Is the trigger-guard firmly retaining the fore-end? Are the "draws" that mate with the sear-lug blocks mating symmetrically and fully?

    The trick with these beasties is that the fore-end bedding is totally unlike what one expects after tinkering with one-piece stock systems. Two-piece stock systems are not inherently inferior on a rifle. There are several "sporting" rifles that have two-piece stocks and impressive consistency down-range. Also, consider a couple of military sniping rigs; The L42A1 and the Frenchicon FR-F2. Then you get all modern and consider the performance of AR- based rifles. Not only two-piece (three, really), stocks but a TWO-PIECE receiver setup.

    Have a look back at the various "How to" articles on setting up the bedding, as published hereabouts.
    I haven't bedded it yet as I've just made sure it's set up properly essentially as issued being that it's mostly like new parts. I do have the following that I have used as resources, "Lee Enfield Performance Tuning Manual", "Lee Enfield Accuracy Secrets", "2012 Complete Book on Lee Enfield Accurizing", along with quite a few articles from Peter Laidlericon.

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    How are you checking the "draws" contact for even load on both sides?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 30Three View Post
    How are you checking the "draws" contact for even load on both sides?
    Engineer blue. This Lithgowicon has the original recoil plates so it's easier.

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    Not sure about Lithgowicon No.I rifles however when I got my SSA No.I it's accuracy wasn't quite what I thought it should be....close but rather random groups. My jungle carbine was better and so was my No.4 Mk.I rifle.

    I investigated the deal a bit and found that all the parts were there except the spring for the screw that holds the mid barrel band...it was gone. I found a similar looking coil spring and cut it to length and tightened it down. Then it shot just as accurate as the others or better....and this with damaged draws(which I fixed later)

    There are a lot of parts screws and springs involved in the No.I Mk.III* forearm/barrel fit. I noted the old SSA still appears to wear it's original forearm(worn walnut) and nosecap while the rest is replacement beech. I sort of figured Commonwealth armorers perhaps tried to keep the original front wood and parts together to maintain accuracy and sight regulation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenot View Post
    Not sure about Lithgowicon No.I rifles however when I got my SSA No.I it's accuracy wasn't quite what I thought it should be....close but rather random groups. My jungle carbine was better and so was my No.4 Mk.I rifle.

    I investigated the deal a bit and found that all the parts were there except the spring for the screw that holds the mid barrel band...it was gone. I found a similar looking coil spring and cut it to length and tightened it down. Then it shot just as accurate as the others or better....and this with damaged draws(which I fixed later)

    There are a lot of parts screws and springs involved in the No.I Mk.III* forearm/barrel fit. I noted the old SSA still appears to wear it's original forearm(worn walnut) and nosecap while the rest is replacement beech. I sort of figured Commonwealth armorers perhaps tried to keep the original front wood and parts together to maintain accuracy and sight regulation?
    Havenot; not sure if it was your suggestion, but I took my middle band spring out, opened it up slightly. I also took a little bit off the top handguard ears as they were touching very slightly. Well went to the range this morning and 5 shots is all 1.5" or less with a circular pattern vs the previous pattern.

    Only other things I did since the last range trip was another coat of RLO and cleaned the barrel

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    Does it have the tension spring and plunger under the nose-cap?

    The barrel band spring tension deal on mine was odd....shot so-so with no spring(as received)...I made a new spring and shot it some more playing with the spring tension on the middle barrel band....more so-so to fair accuracy. Took the screw to tight as it would go and she shot pretty decent then.

    I will say that this was years ago and I did not understand the LE draws and stock fit all that well. My rifles draws were hammered loose and I did not really figure that out until later. I repaired the SSA rifle's draws a couple years ago and it still prefers the barrel band snugged tight.

    I'm just saying that the SMLE rifle has a lot of parts in play just in the forearm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenot View Post
    Does it have the tension spring and plunger under the nose-cap?

    The barrel band spring tension deal on mine was odd....shot so-so with no spring(as received)...I made a new spring and shot it some more playing with the spring tension on the middle barrel band....more so-so to fair accuracy. Took the screw to tight as it would go and she shot pretty decent then.

    I will say that this was years ago and I did not understand the LE draws and stock fit all that well. My rifles draws were hammered loose and I did not really figure that out until later. I repaired the SSA rifle's draws a couple years ago and it still prefers the barrel band snugged tight.

    I'm just saying that the SMLE rifle has a lot of parts in play just in the forearm!
    It does have the tension spring and plunger. Draws are good as this was an unissued Slazenger forend with copper lugs. I'm guessing it was a combination of the middle band tension and top handguard ears touching slightly.

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    And ALWAYS remember than from about 1912 onward, SMLEs were TUNED to Cordite-fueled Mk Vll ball and nothing else, because that was the "ammo du jour" for the next half century.

    Not Mk VlllZ, not 150gn BTSPs: 174gn, flat-based Mk Vll.

    Yes, there WAS a Mk VllZ, but that stuff was pretty much exclusively for aircraft MGs, because it produced less muzzle flash for AIRCRAFT guns, at night!.

    Mk Vlllz ammo was designed to extend the useful "reach" of machine-guns (Vickers) , firing on fixed lines, off a sandbagged-in tripod against AREA targets. Such guns operated in teams of eighth to ten and were fired on calculated trajectories determine by ballistic tables, meteorological data and precision surveying equipment. Old-school "Volley fire" raised to a science. These days, mortar platoons to a similar job, but with greater gusto. Done right, you can saturate a couple of grid squares with HE and White Phos, and have the tubes and crews in vehicles and gone before the last bomb has fallen. It's NOT a game; never was.

    The "Z" indicates "nitro-cellulose" granular propellant which has a different burn curve and peak temperature.

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