need help with enfield

[jwk]

I picked up this rifle in a group of Enfields a few weeks ago. Is this a real Jungle Carbine? it is electro penciled 1947 (F) The stock has been refinished the serial number is a 4 digit with a PF prefix

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[Daan Kemp]

We need more photos. Knox form, left and right side of action, wrist, bottom of trigger guard, sights, front barrel band.

Going on the current photos I doubt it.

Do a search on the forum for no 5 for the differences.

[Alan de Enfield]

Is this a real Jungle Carbine?

In short NO.

The lightening scallops are missing from the action, it is clearly a No4 action.


One small glimmer of hope you could have is that Peter Laidler has said that when they were in Malaya

I think I mentioned earlier that when we were doing the big Crown Agents FTR programme, it was priced (so I was told) that if 70 came in, 70 went out and if some were ZF’d (scrap) then they’d be replaced from our ANZUK (I think this was Aust, NZ and UK stockholdings) mobilization stores from the huge …., and I mean HUGE Ordnance stockpiles close by at Johore Bahru. So we would cannibalise No5’s and if necessary, send them out with No4 bodies.



I would expect any such rifle to show some evidence (markings) of rebuilding.

I'm sure that a 'good story' could be put together to sell it to an unsuspecting buyer, but, its real history is unknown.

See the difference in the action (the cut-out slope) between the charger bridge and the rear sight on these pictures :

[GeeRam]

As above.....plus PF prefix 4 digit serial number is not a No.5 serial number sequence.

[jwk]

thanks everyone!

[Mikehaspey]

Still a very nice looking rifle!

[Roger Payne]

Yes, I thought so too. Nicely done, at least as far as we can see from the photo's. One other thing to look out for on these is if the rifle body has a cut-off block or not. It wasn't present on the 'real' No5's as one of the lightening measures. But just to confuse the issue a few of the late production No4 rifles were assembled with bodies like this....but the vast majority (of No4's) have the block.

PS. The forend has also been cut down from a No4 & is modified to accommodate a Mk2 rifle body. (None of which detracts from it being a nice looking rifle).

[GeeRam]

And lets face it, as good genuine No.5's are now getting much harder to find, and with no new correct barrels being available NOS or from any of the new supply sources, converted No.4's as well as real No.5's with cut down No.4 barrels will become more commonplace.

[Alan de Enfield]

And lets face it, as good genuine No.5's are now getting much harder to find, and with no new correct barrels being available NOS or from any of the new supply sources, converted No.4's as well as real No.5's with cut down No.4 barrels will become more commonplace.

No5's (or any other Enfield') are not that difficult to find, they may not be available at price levels we have become used to, but they are out there.

A quick google search for "No5 Enfield for sale" bought up three in the 1st result. They were between £750 & £925 but they are there.

[Roger Payne]

I think his comments were meant in a sense relative to a few years ago. Most are indeed out there if you have enough pennies in your pocket.........but a few are not there to be had at almost any price. I have been collecting Enfield snipers for well over forty years & still only have a handful of originals from the WW1 era. There are a few types that just aren't there to be had regardless of the price, or certainly, hardly ever.