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    So what is this squat little rifle round?

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    So what is is this stubby round I seem to have acquired? The RG .303 Mk7 is just for comparison.

    I am afraid my ammo knowledge is pretty limited.
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    Feeling a trifle a trifle stupid as this looks rather like 7.62 54r..... would that be correct? And if so I’m still interested in any head stamp info.

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    8mm Lebel

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    Interesting!!! I really do know nothing, about anything that isn’t 577, 577/450, or 303.

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    That little ring around the primer is to catch the bullet tips of the previous round when loaded in a Lebel rifles tubular magazine and prevent chain detonation (hence how they put a pointy bullet in a tube fed rifle). Personally I quite like the round, its very tactile and easy to reload for once you have the brass.

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    I would suggest the round is more likely for the 8mm Hotchkiss machine gun... the rifle round had a much deeper groove around the primer for the reason Eagleford says..

    The 8x50mmR Lebel round was a real dog.. it was the result of an unholy and hurried mating of the 11mm Gras case and an 8mm smokeless barrel as a result of Gen Boulanger stamping his little foot and demanding the first smokeless military rifle be produced in six months...! The Frenchicon ended up with a wedge shaped round that was almost impossible to handle mechanically.. instant Banana magazines and the main issue behind the disaster that was the Chachault and three round clips! The last main user of the round was the Hotchkiss MMG which fed the rounds on pressed metal trays!

    It took the French from the 1880s to after WW2 to rid themselves of this PoS...

    That said, I have a Lebel I liberated in Kandahar and it shoots pretty well. You can get cases from Privi and it shoots standard .323 mauser bullets, although the Privi cases are better with .324/5 if you can find them....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bombdoc View Post
    It took the Frenchicon from the 1880s to after WW2 to rid themselves of this PoS...
    I saw the Turkishicon army doing gun drills with them out in the flats close to the old Nicosia airport in 1980...unmistakable guns and hard to believe they were still active.
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    Thanks all for you knowledge!

    My next unknown round is depicted below sandwiched between a 30-06 and a 7.62 NATO

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    7.92 x 57 Mauser maybe

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    Need a flatter picture...
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