Savage No.4 (t)

[Micheal Doyne]

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No visible S51 stamp or serialisation of the wood, however all wood has been sanded and varnished some significant time ago, assumed to be around the same time as the fultons fettling.

Ammended posts where to remove the full S/N partially it is OC15XX

[Micheal Doyne]

There are folks with much more experience than I, but for me there are a couple of alarm bells :

1) Rebarreled - when and by whom ?
2) Regulated by Fultons. (Fultons have 'built' No4Ts to order).
3) Peter Laidler has previously said a No3 bolt head would not have been accepted on a 4T by a military armourer.

1) Rebarreled - when and by whom (assumed to be if it is a re barrel by fultons at regulation)
2) yes I am concered about that
3) Yes, agreed not at conversion, but might one not have been fitted in service later? or is that a definate out of service job, if so likely by Fulton agian

[Alan de Enfield]

1) Rebarreled - when and by whom (assumed to be if it is a re barrel by fultons at regulation)
2) yes I am concered about that
3) Yes, agreed not at conversion, but might one not have been fitted in service later? or is that a definate out of service job, if so likely by Fulton agian

Maybe Roger can have a more experienced input ?

Another slight 'worry' would be that the scope mount screws have not been staked.

The serial number, however, is within the range of several other known Savage No4T's, so it could be 'pukka'.

[Micheal Doyne]

Maybe Roger can have a more experienced input ?

Another slight 'worry' would be that the scope mount screws have not been staked.

The serial number, however, is within the range of several other known Savage No4T's, so it could be 'pukka'.

There do seem to be a lot of small negatives.

From handling it, and hearing some of its plausible but un evidenced history from someone I know, I do think it is a t, however I would very much welcome thoughts from others.

My issue is it the price I have seen a number of Ts without chests, tins at but there are a number of small negatives. The biggest to me is I can only justify this purchase of it is a rifle I could, if push came to shove sell for £4-4.5K, my concern is small negatives, the unmatched scope, and maybe mount as well out of service fettling by fultons make that tricky.
The other issue is my key interest is the accuracy of the platform at the time and this one has been improved, admittedly I can square that be telling my self this showed the platforms potential...

Finally is that a “t” completion stamp on the back of the recover behind the sight bridge above the wrist to the right of the bolt track... and if so does that help or hinder... it isn’t really exactly on the right of the left side wall of the reciver as I would expect... l

[GeeRam]

My issue is it the price I have seen a number of Ts without chests, tins at but there are a number of small negatives. The biggest to me is I can only justify this purchase of it is a rifle I could, if push came to shove sell for £4-4.5K, my concern is small negatives, the unmatched scope, and maybe mount as well out of service fettling by fultons make that tricky.

I agree, even if it is as likely was a pukka Savage T, its no longer in the top price bracket for a rare Savage T.........its in great shooter price bracket as that is what it now is, but not top collector price.
I would have thought £3.5k price range to 3.75k tops would be the likely price range......??

[Micheal Doyne]

I agree, even if it is as likely was a pukka Savage T, its no longer in the top price bracket for a rare Savage T.........its in great shooter price bracket as that is what it now is, but not top collector price.
I would have thought £3.5k price range to 3.75k tops would be the likely price range......??

Interesting would you put a top shooter plus scope at £3.5, I was rather assuming top shooter was about £1000 so with scope, and pads I was assuming £2,500.

[Lee Enfield]

Maybe Roger can have a more experienced input ?

Another slight 'worry' would be that the scope mount screws have not been staked.

The serial number, however, is within the range of several other known Savage No4T's, so it could be 'pukka'.

It's a real No4MkI(T) which has been centre bedded - that's likely the source of the Fulton's markings.

In it's previous life, it was a target rifle, probably Service Rifle "A"

On early guns pads were NOT staked.

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Finally is that a “t” completion stamp on the back of the recover behind the sight bridge above the wrist to the right of the bolt track... and if so does that help or hinder... it isn’t really exactly on the right of the left side wall of the reciver as I would expect... l

No that is a standard inspectors marking which is found on all? Savage No4 rifles.

I would like to see better pictures of the rings, but I think they are set of RogerP's.

There are folks with much more experience than I, but for me there are a couple of alarm bells :

1) Rebarreled - when and by whom ?
2) Regulated by Fultons. (Fultons have 'built' No4Ts to order).
3) Peter Laidler has previously said a No3 bolt head would not have been accepted on a 4T by a military armourer.

Bolt heads were/are commonly refitted (especially by handloaders) and the number marked on the bolt head means very little - if you measure a few you will quickly see that...