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Odd, The serial number font matches so it must not be a replacement barrel. Very odd the markings were scrubbed or never stamped onto the barrel. I see that the index marks align?
S or H would for sure indicate a conversion to 8x56R. Here is a quick way to test in the house. See link.
At a range you can try a live round for fit. Place an 8x56R (preferably an dummy round) into the chamber. If the cartridge rim fits and bottoms out on the chamber face, the rifle barrel is chambered in 8x56R. If the round protrudes about 1//4 inch above the chamber face, the chamber is 8x50R. Note a 8x50R is shorter and will chamber in both barrels / rifles. Use the easy to find 8x56R round, it chambers only in the 8x56R barrel due to its longer size. Those little carbines are a beast to shoot, worse than an Enfield Jungle carbine or M44 Mosin.
Last edited by 72 usmc; 12-07-2020 at 08:22 PM.
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12-07-2020 08:14 PM
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Not sure that's an arsenal cut down. The rear sight would have been scrubbed and restamped. This one is original.
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ok. i would show you but Inga is all torn apart. It has both undernand side swivels, bayonet lug I don't know. thanks
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it only has numbers on the left side
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Originally Posted by
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worse than an Enfield Jungle carbine
Always curious about the 'kick' of the No5 rifle. Many write about it but few experienced it. Any other carbine is fine to shoot with no 'extra' recoil, only the No5 has this [undeserved?] reputation.
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I find in my old age any carbine with a large, full size cartridge like the Berthier, Mosin, JC, and M95 have more felt kick than the long rifle version. Of course this does not apply to the M1 carbine or 6.5 carcano. Your shoulder can get black and blue marks after about 20-25 rounds. In my younger days it was not so bad. If one is on blood thinners or a diabetic, you can bruse easily. Do not get me wrong, I love the Enfield JC. I got at least two of each production year and also collected the Russian M44s by country of origin. They are great, very load, fireball shooters at dusk. People would be annoyed at the range due to the noise, but the younger ones all wanted to try a shot or two. They loved the fireballs. Then, they would be off to the local fleet & farm store to purchase a $79 M44. Both are sexy looking rifles. That crazy little hard rubber pad on the JC can really dig in and center the impact on your shoulder, in contrast the M95 and M44 at least has a larger flat area to the butt plate that spreads out the kick onto the shoulder. I sold off my M95 carbines, but kept the long rifle 8x56R rifles. They are shown here:
4 different M95 long rifles - Surplus Rifle Forum - www.surplusrifleforum.org
Remember you got to search out .org not .com to find SRF. They switched to surplusrifleforum.org.
As for my JCs, those I will never sell. When Sog and Aim had all the Greek .303, most of us purchased a ton of that HXP ammo. Back in the early 90s, Sog had tons of that Nazi M95, 8x56r in boxes with two unblock mannlicher clips at like $2.25 per box. I still have a few ammo cans full of that stuff. I always liked carbines, nice short rifles to display and fun to shoot if young. After your first heart problems then conditions effect you different like hot & cold weather, or hard impacts to ones shoulder. I say shoot while you can, first to go is eye sight, then maybe knees, and it is down hill from there.
Every shooter should have an M44 carbine and a Enfield JC. I also love the short Berthier carbines and the Carcano cavalry carbines with the pig sticker bayonet.
Unfortunately, in the cold, I am restricted to my basement range with BB pistol replicas. Still fun and ammo is cheep
Last edited by 72 usmc; 12-08-2020 at 11:47 AM.
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Yes, the narrow piece of hard rubber probably did more to the reputation of recoil than anything else. It should have been much wider.
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I know I have been down this road before trying to identify my 95. The more I have read about the converted carbines there are discrepancies. There is no S anywherein barrel area. Sn matches to receiver, barrel, butt stock. The gun is equipped with both bottom and sling holders. The sight is 3 inches (not sure what constitutes long and short). Distance between front and rear band is 5 inches. Will find out soon when 8x56 dummies get here about cartridge size. I would really appreciate any help putting this to bed. Some info on line is so vague or confusing
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Couple of things. It would be helpful if the rifle was put together with better photos to identify it.
I'm looking at that photo of your stock and it looks like a full length stock to me. Admittedly, I'm comparing photos with no reference to actual dimensions. I can't just go grab mine and look at it either, I'm stuck looking at my own photos. They simply don't seem to match up to the carbines. I have one of each an original carbine, a cut down carbine and a full length rifle. But 20 inches is correct for a short rifle so it may simply be a photo illusion.
Your rear sight is that of a full length rifle. It has not been altered, that is how they are marked, only on one side. Matches mine. No S or H on the chamber seems to indicate it was not upgraded either which if a carbine, should have been done.
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