tired ol steyr m95

[Jay2020]

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here i am with Inga. She is 39 inches long
I hope this helps I am so confused

[Jay2020]

Could it be a short rifle? Is that a thing?

[Eaglelord17]

I am not identifying the pattern as if it was a cut down long rifle it should have a 'S' or 'H' on the barrel. How are the sling swivels set up on the rifle? Is there a stacking bar on the bayonet attachment? A photo of the opposite side of the rifle assembled would be very helpful. The current theory I am playing with in my mind if it is still in 8x50r (easy to test, try chambering a round of 8x56r if it can't chamber it is in 8x50r) that it might actually be one of the few carbine/stutzen rifle variants they had pre-WWI which someone placed the wrong rear sight on when it was damaged. Photos of the other side could help identify which pattern it could have been. Is there a 5 pointed star stamped in the metal anywhere? Like on barrel band, or back of the receiver? That is a Italian refurbishment/repair marking if it is. Many of the rifles found today in the original caliber came out of Italy as post-WWI they were given a bunch as war reparations.

This website is a handy one for some basic information and a bit about the different variants.
http://hungariae.com/Mann95.htm

[Jay2020]

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here are 3 more. i have some dummy 8x56 dummy coming hopefully today or tomorrow so that should answer that question. There is a place to screw in a stacking rod. I won one on ebay hesterday wii be here around Christmas the second band has a swivel underneath and loop on side. there is no rear stock swivel.. It was gone.i really appreciate your time on this it has been killing me. sorry somehow i ended up with 2 of everything

serial number 228V
found Ks on bolt and a 6 or 9 bolt.

[Jay2020]

I dont know if you have seen the pics I posted at the beginning of this thread. Those are the only markings. I just disassembled Inga and found no new ones I had missed. Several K stamps

[Eaglelord17]

So since it is missing the rear bottom swivel, I am going to best guess this carbine as a M95 Repeater-Stutzenkarabiner as it would have had both bottom mounted and side mounted sling swivels. No way to 100% tell as I suspect this carbine was used by Italy post-WWI (can't definitively prove it with the info I have) and they could have mixed and matched different parts off different carbines to keep them running or during cleaning etc. The rear sight isn't 100% correct for that rifle but was likely put on there when the original broke and that was what they had around (again would indicate towards Italy as they didn't manufacture them so they didn't have a bunch of spare parts). The Italians also weren't particularly concerned with protecting different variants, and keeping them correct. To the Italians they were simply M95 carbines and they issued all the variants of carbines/short rifles interchangeably as for practical purposes they are. Interesting little carbine, they are really not that appreciated by the collecting community despite the long service in many different wars.

Below is a thread to another M95 Repeater-Stutzenkarabiner that I once owned that was Italian used (found out the star on the front band in the photo was actually a Italian refurbishment marking later on). Hope this helps.
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=52525

[Jay2020]

Thank you so much.* I never figured it out.* Beautiful Steyr.* So many markings.* Sometimes wonder why mine doesn't have some.* I guess when the 8x56 shows up I will know for sure.

* Again, thanks

Tom

[Jay2020]

I went and ordered a stock swivel a while back and of course it doesn't fit. I can't find a stutzen part anywhere. Will one from a carbine fit or is stutzel special.

[Eaglelord17]

So as I understand it, basically the original Austrian-Hungarian styles of M95 'Carbines/Short rifles' were mainly differentiated by what sling swivels they had and how they were arranged. I am not sure if they were special sizes but I suspect the rear bottom stock sling swivel would be labeled 'M95 Carbine' or something of that nature due to how close the different patterns were and based off the fact basically all the originals were converted to M95/30 (or M95/31) standards.

[Jay2020]

Thank you