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    Thanks! Then everything makes more sense by now .

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    Your rifle is as close to a military issue L96A1 as you can get without being accused of stealing it from the MoD
    Very nice indeed!

    (MoD = Ministry of Defence)

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    Quote Originally Posted by waco16 View Post
    Your rifle is as close to a military issue L96A1 as you can get without being accused of stealing it from the MoD
    Very nice indeed!

    (MoD = Ministry of Defence)
    I think it is highly likely that Promo's rifle has been retro fitted with a military L96 barrel? Was this your rifle Waco?

    If not, then the end has been machined to accept the foresight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    Roy,
    Since reading the 14/15/16 posts I am a tad confused.
    Could you just clarify whether it should or should not be present on PM's please?
    Gil

    Early PM rifles did not have the NSN and designation on them. These preceeded the L96A1 adoption.

    Once L96 production was up and running then it stands to reason that anyone wanting a PM (i.e. Police Forces) would have one made on an available receiver, which would have been an L96 designated action, because that's what they were making at the time and they are otherwise identical.

    You said before that Frank's PM has the longer magazine, with plastic insert, this would date his rifle as an 85/86 PM. In fact I think I know the one he has and where it came from.
    Therefore his wouldn't have the NSN on the receiver.

    Promo's rifle is a 1989 PM, which post dates the L96 introduction, so his carries the NSN but the serial number shows it was not a military issue L96A1. The only difference with Promo's is that it has a military barrel, foresight and rear sight to make it look like an issued L96A1.

    I suppose there may have been a transitional period when the rifles weren't marked thus, and maybe Steve Houghton's book will shed light on this.

    There are different styles of markings too, some are engraved within an elongated recess, others are just engraved direct onto the receiver.

    So, the answer is

    Some PMs have it, others don't and it probably depends on their age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy W View Post
    I think it is highly likely that Promo's rifle has been retro fitted with a military L96 barrel? Was this your rifle Waco?

    If not, then the end has been machined to accept the foresight.
    Not mine, Roy, though I suspect the serial number is within a couple of digits of it
    For anyone who has access to a lathe its quite a simple task to turn a std AW barrel down to accept an L96 foresight
    I think the vast majority of ex police L96's - sorry PM's - in private hands have had this done to put them into Britishicon Army trim.
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    Very interesting. I bought my rifle as a Police issued rifle. I didn't knew the Police has had different barrels or at least differently contoured barrels/with flash hiders. Did the Police rifles also had different scopes, or the Schmidt & Bender scopes as I have on my rifle?

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    Here's my rifle in its original Bedfordshire Police configuration

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    Quote Originally Posted by waco16 View Post
    Here's my rifle in its original Bedfordshire Police configuration
    Just lovely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Promo View Post
    Very interesting. I bought my rifle as a Police issued rifle. I didn't knew the Police has had different barrels or at least differently contoured barrels/with flash hiders. Did the Police rifles also had different scopes, or the Schmidt & Bender scopes as I have on my rifle?
    Originally the PM's were available with a 2.5-10x56 S&B scope.
    Later on I believe Forces bought them without scopes, or with S&B 3-12x56. The post above from Waco shows a 2.5-10x56 scope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy W View Post
    Just lovely!

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    Originally the PM's were available with a 2.5-10x56 S&B scope.
    Later on I believe Forces bought them without scopes, or with S&B 3-12x56. The post above from Waco shows a 2.5-10x56 scope.
    Thanks, Roy - and still incredibly accurate!
    Its not too long ago it shot a top score in a 300 and 600 comp at Kingsbury ranges against some F class boys with their huge bipods, long barrels and rear rests

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    waco16, does your rifle also have a number on the left side of the stock at the rear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Promo View Post
    waco16, does your rifle also have a number on the left side of the stock at the rear?
    No marks on the stock, Promo

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