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I think the whole deac' issue has come about due to arms being re-activated illegally. Apparently some of the AK's used in the Paris attacks were re-engineered deac's. I think that was a catalyst for this.
( However they would have been older neutralisations. not latest spec).
Anyway if you already know where all the legal firearms are; I suppose some civil servant thought up the idea to log all the neutralised stuff just in case someone decides to have a go at re-engineering it. But that's really not practical.
They'd do a much better job for society if they could get all the criminals to register their firearms!
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03-22-2021 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by
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I think the whole deac' issue has come about due to arms being re-activated illegally.
You are correct sir, our country has had great difficulties in that area so moved from one description of deac to a welded solid description. Old and new. The old still exist here though and you can tell what people are selling and what thought process they are promoting when you see the prices.
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What about grenades, mines and such. Do those items need to be registered in the UK
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IIRC land mines need Home Office authority to possess, even if empty & safe, but other munitions such as hand grenades, mortar bombs & such like are ok to own so long as they are completely free of explosives. I think that is generally correct, but no doubt if I am in error someone will update us....
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IIRC land mines need Home Office authority to possess, even if empty & safe, but other munitions such as hand grenades, mortar bombs & such like are ok to own so long as they are completely free of explosives. I think that is generally correct, but no doubt if I am in error someone will update us....
I've not heard of mines requiring authority before? I do hope not, everyone I worked with bought loads back from Kuwait. We made dozens of wall clocks from VS 1.1 and 2.2 Anti Tank mines.
Plenty of inert training aids for sale as well.
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I thought the additional restrictions on the possession of land mines was brought in following the late Princess Diana's campaign, Roy, but I could be wrong........or they could maybe have been revised to include only live mines. I've certainly seen S, Teller, Glass, & Stock mines openly for sale at UK arms fairs in recent years, but assumed that the rules had either been modified or that the dealers were flouting them.
Many many moons ago I used to have lots of empty S mines that had come back from the Channel Islands. Luckily I sold or gave them away long ago.
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I thought the additional restrictions on the possession of land mines was brought in following the late Princess Diana's campaign, Roy, but I could be wrong........or they could maybe have been revised to include only live mines. I've certainly seen S, Teller, Glass, & Stock mines openly for sale at
UK arms fairs in recent years, but assumed that the rules had either been modified or that the dealers were flouting them.
Many many moons ago I used to have lots of empty S mines that had come back from the Channel Islands. Luckily I sold or gave them away long ago.
I think you are confusing it with the signing of the landmine treaties banning their use, Roger.
The military use a system of FFE certification (free from explosives) for souvenirs etc. but I am not aware of a civvy equivalent. They are live or inert and once inert they are effectively scrap metal/plastic.
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That's interesting, & potentially useful to know if I ever get offered a land mine again! Strangely though, a representative of Border Force called on a mutual acquaintance (the chap who sold your friend a L42A1 not so long ago) concerning his private importation of rifles from the US. Our friend had done nothing wrong but the visitor then turned the conversation round to ordnance as my pal had a few empty Mills on his bookshelf. He was asked quite directly if he had any land mines, as 'these are banned you know'. Regardless of the legal situation, he didn't have any anyway, so it went no further. It may be that he (Border Force fellow) was ignorant of his own rules..........& I suppose it would explain why some dealers openly sell mines at shows.
Last edited by Roger Payne; 03-23-2021 at 01:32 PM.
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Couldn't resist it Roger......"I suppose you have to be careful where you tread" 
Talking landmines, if you want to watch an extremely good true film, about young German soldiers in 1945 clearing the beaches of hundreds of thousands of landmines in Denmark where they believed the invasion could be!!!
Called LAND OF MINE Brilliant
'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA
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Roger, I've done a bit of digging and you may be correct. See legislation: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/33
The Landmines Act 1998 suggests you are correct, however it makes no mention of inert items. It refers to component parts, but again no definition. It's probably of those that still needs to be mulled over in court.
There are hundreds of dummy and practice mines for sale online, but I wouldn't fancy being a test case for it, not with a max sentence of 14 years.
I think I might start telling some mates to rethink their wallclocks!
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