B17 ACCIDENTS FROM ABOVE

[Gil Boyd]

Yes in a town close to me Huntingdon founded in 1086 by Danes we understand. An interesting local thing involving a "bank" of the Templars is under the town of Royston again not far from here and on a main old Roman Road. It is a very well carved bunker deep under ground with a tunnelled passageway to it where they kept their gold and riches on return to England. A bank in the very early days guarded by Templars: Royston Cave - Wikipedia

I am half German and half Irish, pick the bones out of that one, and East Anglian. I would have probably been a Templar as it was effectively a band of Mercenaries from many nations

[30Three]

Gil; do you know of Cressing Temple barns; in Essex? They were built by the Knights Templars around 1220 AD apparently.
They are well worth a visit.
I am from the village few miles down the road from the barns.

[Gil Boyd]

Yes well aware of that and other locations too in the area. Clearly the East Coast was a busy place in those days of fighting wars a long way away in the name of Christianity.

[Rockandroll]

Interesting post. My father in law served as a waist gunner and toggler in the 8th. I found in a drawer after his passing a bunch of never seen photos, and the Brownie camera he used, of B-17’s bombing over Europe. I always wondered if anyone would be interested in seeing them?
After I purchased my first machine gun, a 1917 water cooled Browning, I showed it to him. He said that nice, but if you want to really get your blood pumping, look at a ME109 with its wingtips lit up heading for you at 500mph. Uh, no thanks.

[Bob Womack]

Interesting post. My father in law served as a waist gunner and toggler in the 8th. I found in a drawer after his passing a bunch of never seen photos, and the Brownie camera he used, of B-17’s bombing over Europe. I always wondered if anyone would be interested in seeing them?

Well I, for one, would be interested.

After I purchased my first machine gun, a 1917 water cooled Browning, I showed it to him. He said that nice, but if you want to really get your blood pumping, look at a ME109 with its wingtips lit up heading for you at 500mph. Uh, no thanks.

Into the teeth. Some of the accounts talk about the German fighters weaving between the boxes of bombers as they passed through the big formation. One account I read talked about seeing a BF109 collide head-on with a B-17. Only the engine of the fighter exited the tail position of the bomber, and the person watching realized that eleven men had just died.


Bob

[Gil Boyd]

Robert, like Bob, please put them up on the site, really interested in their provenance as well in that your father served with the 8th and took them.

The true stories that come out of the USAF over here in those three years is unbelievable and more should be done in schools especially around us in East Anglia where hundreds of thousnads of American crew flew and fought from and drank in our pubs............and many returned to marry and many ladies left these shores for the U.S.

If you are ever in Cambridge and around Cambridge there is so so much to learn about the USAF in WW2, with Madingley Cemetery where I go every year for a mIlitary remembrance where all the USAF bases have a large contingent turn up, with the missing Eagle as they fly past and the lone Dakota, always a tear jerker for the thousands that come rain or shine!!

The Spread Eagle Pub in Cambridge where I served in the Police, the ceiling in the pub now with a preservation order placed on it, where every crew member signed his name in candle smoke and the Squadrons they flew in, its a remarkable legacy of so many young men that flew from Bassingbourn, now an Army barracks, and of course the Imperial War Museum at Duxford and the American museum there, which is massive and rightly so, on the old Spitfire base where Douglas Bader flew his 212 Squadron from during the Battle for Britain...............dont just come for two weeks you'll need a month!!

[CINDERS]

Should get detailed pics of that pub roof for posterity as pubs have been known to burn down either that or see if they will donate it for a clean ceiling put in its place.

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[Gil Boyd]

Cinders et al,
Here you go......................The Eagle, Cambridge - Wikipedia

Incredible piece of history over 70 years old!

[Rockandroll]

I’ll see what I can do.

[Surpmil]

Yes in a town close to me Huntingdon founded in 1086 by Danes we understand. An interesting local thing involving a "bank" of the Templars is under the town of Royston again not far from here and on a main old Roman Road. It is a very well carved bunker deep under ground with a tunnelled passageway to it where they kept their gold and riches on return to England. A bank in the very early days guarded by Templars: Royston Cave - Wikipedia

I am half German and half Irish, pick the bones out of that one, and East Anglian. I would have probably been a Templar as it was effectively a band of Mercenaries from many nations

The Templars had to go: they combined a military monastic order answerable only to the Pope, an international banking and credit system, and a private army, with a proscription against usury!

Rather a hard combination to beat if you're a more "traditional" banker, so unorthodox methods were required such as putting ideas in the head of one of France's more degenerate monarchs.

All the tripe and trash that has been talked about the Templars since is nothing but historical cuckooism, idle chatter of the Dan Brown variety, or attempts to disguise the facts.

Ian Wilson first assembled the evidence that pointed to the Shroud of Turin being the "disembodied head" the Templars were accused of worshipping - it was said to have been wrapped around a frame and covered with a mantle and it so happens that the neck area is so represented on the cloth that the neck is more or less unseen in that scenario. The Templecomb painting being an interesting clue in that puzzle.

It is recorded that the Shroud was displayed periodically on sort of elevating frame in a church in Constantinople, before "disappearing" during the sack of the city in the Fourth Crusade by the Franks and the Venetians. And that was by no means its first appearance in the historical record.

And of course when the Shroud turned up again in mid 1300s it was in the hands of the descendant of a leading Templar.

As the Shroud carbon dating has now been shown to be a tissue of at best errors, notwithstanding the million pound plum given by 45 "businessmen" for the finding of the "right answer", the game is on again.



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