What the the chances this is DCM

[arbo34]

What are the chances this Winchester carbine is actually from the DCM/ NRA?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/903741425

[old tanker]

The Railway Express label and Red River punchcard look about right. My DCM 1911 came boxed up similarly from Rock Island in 1961. That was when you had to be an NRA member and in a sanctioned shooting club to buy from DCM direct. Hard to to tell, but it's been unmolested in someone's closet for sixty years or the most expert forgery I've ever seen.

[painter777]

$20 investment did very well!

At first I thought it should have a Hi-Wood I cut stock.
Dug some notes out and see WRA used I cut from start of production to as late as ~1,153,591. Oval Stocks came in starting around ~1,067,649 to end of first serial number block. So there was some overlap.

Keep in mind these are old notes....

Also have noted Large Boxed WRA/GHD with CC beside it until ~1,067,649.
Unboxed W.R.A. over G.H.D. with CC beside it starting at ~1,055,513.
So some overlap there also.

About GB 903741425,
The 2 weld spots on the barrel band are some of the most prominent I've ever seen, usually you can barely see them.
Picture #24 (Below) Look at how much extra room there is around the Magcatch.
Wear ? Or possibly worn/weak Spring ?

Safety caught my attention, thinking it should be checkered, but a plain faced Type II would be expected.
Just something about there being No Finish Wear on that Safety. Possibly replaced ?
Really nice honest looking Carbine. I have a number above and below this #. It should make a buyer happy. Speaking of Buyers....... I see some very knowledgeable Bidders going after it. Good Luck to All

Thx arbo34 for the link.

Pic of Mag Catch fit and Safety:



ETA: Here's The Mag Catch fit on WRA 1,030,621 for comparison

[arbo34]

I’m expect this carbine to go for upwards of 3k+, out of my price range. Was curious to see if it’s possible that it could be a DCM carbine since there is no receipt with its serial number on it like I’ve seen on others, but I guess if the rarer parts aren’t faked, like the flip sight, dogleg hammer, or the type 1 barrel band, it could be possible.

[floydthecat]

Picture #24 (Below) Look at how much extra room there is around the Magcatch.
Wear ? Or possibly worn/weak Spring ?

Safety caught my attention, thinking it should be checkered, but a plain faced Type II would be expected.
Just something about there being No Finish Wear on that Safety. Possibly replaced ?

It does look like a pretty sloppy fit. Don’t think any spring and plunger combination could affect that.

[USGI]

I didn't see any paperwork showing the carbine came in that box - maybe just overlooked it. I guess I'm getting picky, but saw more than just the safety that raised some questions. - Bob

[arbo34]

I didn't see any paperwork showing the carbine came in that box - maybe just overlooked it. I guess I'm getting picky, but saw more than just the safety that raised some questions. - Bob

I agree with not having any paperwork saying that carbine was actually shipped in that box. If you don’t mind me asking what else has raised some questions for you? I’m trying to learn and what to look for, I’ll be ordering the CCNL newspapers in a few weeks.

[painter777]

Is the trigger housing Type II or Type III ? I can't really see the rear bevels. Serial stamped May 15, 1943...... Too early for a Type III TH ?

[W5USMC]

Charlie in CCNL 336, it says that Type III housings showed up as early as serial #1068244.

[painter777]

Thx Again Wayne,
After posting the SN# stamping date then adding finish up time,,,,,, I was about to Edit this. Seller has described as T2 TH but I see no bevels.
Had to been some overlap I have 1,069 with T2 TH and 1,071 with Type III TH.
Appears the Shipping/receipt has been torn off. This one was a COD.

I'm waiting on GIBOB to look up the wrap: MIL-B-121B