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    To me it's a nice Winchester with a box added. The part with the serial number of the Carbine inside is missing UNLESS I OVERLOOKED IT. The paperwork is strategically torn and gone where the serial is populated. There would've been another sheet identical to the one on the outside that isn't glued to anything, so, where is it?
    It's just as likely to be a mix-master shipment someone put an early Carbine with.
    Something I've wondered, but isn't as import of a point as the above, did DCM even ship Carbines with type I rear sights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tenOC View Post
    did DCM even ship Carbines with type I rear sights?
    They came in all flavors.
    The M1icon carbines sold through the DCM in the 1960's were "unserviceable-unclassified, safe to fire". Meaning they could be in any condition, new, used, or re-built . They were sent in the condition they were stored in, meaning as packed and no further upgrades etc would be carried on. Shipped with no magazine, sling, or oiler.
    Years ago I had read that these sales were recorded by RIA (IIRC) and could be verified through the CMPicon. But I'm not positive about this sales record/CMP Verification.

    I remember someone here had put up pics of the NRA application form, but don't recall who it was.

    Bruce McA, Could likely add to this. If he Sobers up
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    That doesn't sound at all definitive. I want to know one specific thing, not all varieties of things. Did DCM release Carbines with type I sights? That's all. Anything else is just fluff confusion.
    Are there multiple examples with the serial populated on the paperwork showing and with an undisturbed type I sight in place? Because one example could be a correction that wasn't upgrade staked for the adjustable sight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by painter777 View Post
    I remember someone here had put up pics of the NRA application form, but don't recall who it was.
    It is in this old thread, still does not answer Doug's question about Flips on DCM carbines.

    https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=41987

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    The DCM / NRA M1icon Carbine, M1911 series pistol and M1903A3 rifle I obtained were shipped freight collect. Mine all came Railway Express Agency and I paid the driver the freight costs. My M1 rifle, ordered in 1995 thru the DCM (no NRA involved) and shipped on a DD1348, in 1996, was sent via pre-paid registered mail, insured. I had to pick it up at the post office.

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    Thx Wayne.

    I read what Tom in NJ wrote in that link and compared to what I wrote above it's like I plagiarized his reply.
    But I recall Marcus, Roger, David B, Bruce McA, and others saying that some did come with a Flip Sight, some being as produced, some partially and some fully rebuilt.
    That's what I mean about 'All Flavors'.
    Sorry Ten if this comes off as Fluff.



    Quote Originally Posted by tenOC View Post
    I want to know one specific thing, not all varieties of things. Did DCM release Carbines with type I sights? That's all.
    I've been told YES, that some came with Flip Sights.



    Quote Originally Posted by tenOC View Post
    Are there multiple examples with the serial populated on the paperwork showing and with an undisturbed type I sight in place?
    That's 2 specific requests
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    Just proof that they exist, but yes. Multiples, so some of us can be convinced. I'm a cynic and a skeptic.

    Quote Originally Posted by painter777 View Post
    Thx Wayne.

    I read what Tom in NJ wrote in that link and compared to what I wrote above it's like I plagiarized his reply.
    But I recall Marcus, Roger, David B, Bruce McA, and others saying that some did come with a Flip Sight, some being as produced, some partially and some fully rebuilt.
    That's what I mean about 'All Flavors'.
    Sorry Ten if this comes off as Fluff.





    I've been told YES, that some came with Flip Sights.





    That's 2 specific requests

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenOC View Post
    I'm a cynic and a skeptic.
    That's a good thing in the Milsurp hobby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arbo34 View Post
    If you don’t mind me asking what else has raised some questions for you?
    Quote Originally Posted by painter777 View Post
    I'm waiting on GIBOB to look up the wrap: MIL-B-121B
    It's going to be awhile (if ever) since I'm several days behind on reading emails and posts from various forums. I looked at all 120+ pictures the first morning this thread was up - saw 2-3 things I thought would make me pass on it if I was looking to buy a carbine right now.

    I did notice the "brand new" untouched look of the wrap, Charlie - and one of those slings we've seen several times that not everyone agrees on.

    I have saved images of DCM papers from other carbine auctions and when I have time, will look to see if I have pics of the guns, and if any had Type 1 rear sights.

    I went back a day or so later and read the seller's description and thought it was more honest than most - never claimed the gun came in that box and a couple other things that sounded trustworthy to me. It will be interesting to see if those bidders you mentioned stay the course or not? - Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by arbo34 View Post
    What are the chances this Winchester carbine is actually from the DCM/ NRA?

    Early Winchester M1 Carbine-DCM NRA-Red River Army Depot Shipping Box - Curios Relics at GunBroker.com : 903741425
    See it has a new owner.
    Anyone look at pictures #69, #70 and #71?
    I was just looking at the finish wear under the front/bottom of the Receiver.
    And wondering how it got so much finish loss there.
    Does it look like it's had a Receiver Wrench on it ?
    Curious to others thoughts....

    Here's Pic #70

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