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    why were the Indians so much more concerned about a split in the fore-end? Who's come across such splits as are preventable by the Ishapore screw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    My next question is on the converted No 4 to No 5 with the Cyprus marks. Bought mine in Hawaii when stationed there in 92. All the posts and gun forums from 10+ years ago are inconclusive on origin. Thanks"
    This rather sad specimen came into me the other day and is heading for auction. It is just a No4 cut down to resemble the No5. I have never seen one marked in this way and wondered who would bother to do it, it does look official but apart from the Longbranch markings it gives no other information.Attachment 119520

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buccaneer View Post
    This rather sad specimen came into me the other day and is heading for auction. It is just a No4 cut down to resemble the No5. I have never seen one marked in this way and wondered who would bother to do it, it does look official but apart from the Longbranch markings it gives no other information.Attachment 119520

    Scraping the barrel of the ever reducing brain cells .............................

    Those markings were put on by the Cypriots who modified No4s to No5 'type' / specifications.

    Just hang on and do some research - I'm sure they are 'official' conversions. There may even be threads on here about them, could be about 10 years ago ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buccaneer View Post
    This rather sad specimen came into me the other day and is heading for auction. It is just a No4 cut down to resemble the No5. I have never seen one marked in this way and wondered who would bother to do it, it does look official but apart from the Longbranch markings it gives no other information.Attachment 119520
    There have been a number of posts about these rifles going back over 10 years ago.

    Some say they are 'original' official rifles from Cyprus, others say they are fantasy pieces, but, there was a lot of them about in the UKicon and the USAicon.

    Just one thread to get you started - may more threads on the subject.

    Maybe do some resarch before condemming it to auction.


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    I noticed in the thread that Alan de Enfield guided me to it was suggested in one of the threads that Charnwood Ordnance might have been responsible. I would doubt this very much as all of their rifles that I have seen were marked with their own "CO-XXX" serial number and their work was far superior to the thing I have in front of me. It still retains its rather worn two groove barrel.
    The only thing possibly worth saving is the M47C marked flash hider.
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    There was an article in Guns Review in 1973~74 regarding the explorer Colonel John Blashford-Snell and the "No.5" in 7.62mm that Fultons of Bisley had built for him for the Zaire River Expedition.

    I did wonder if it had "Regulated by Fultons" stamped on it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobD View Post
    why were the Indians so much more concerned about a split in the fore-end? Who's come across such splits as are preventable by the Ishapore screw?
    I also wonder.

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    Pics of Coltboy's #5 conversion.

    I know we've hashed these before and there's conjecture and all...Peter told us how he'd done conversions with what parts were on hand too. That was for Malaya though and they carried those. I was in Cyprus both right after the last war and five years after that. I only saw ONE #5 carbine and it was being carried by a Turk in 1975. There was such a mix of weapons at the time but still just the one observed. Also if these were marked to identify them as done in Cyprus or owned by the Greek/Cyp or Turk/Cyp fighters then why is it marked in English? It should be marked in their own language. Cyprus doesn't come out "CYP" in either language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    My next question is on the converted No 4 to No 5 with the Cyprus marks. Bought mine in Hawaii when stationed there in 92. All the posts and gun forums from 10+ years ago are inconclusive on origin. Thanks"
    I was talking with a very good gunsmith friend at the weekend about these converted No4 rifles and he said that he saw a pile of them on a pallet at the now defunct Ryton Arms many years ago, I know it's no nearer to finding out who did the conversion but they appear to have been made in some quantity not just a few with Ryton importing them into the UKicon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buccaneer View Post
    Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon
    My next question is on the converted No 4 to No 5 with the Cyprus marks. Bought mine in Hawaii when stationed there in 92. All the posts and gun forums from 10+ years ago are inconclusive on origin. Thanks"
    For the two members and others in future take note, I never bought one in Hawaii. That's not my statement, if you look back you see I'm entering another's statement. I was the one saw only one in person in Cyprus...
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