+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 13

Thread: Tulipwood stocked SMLE MkIs

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #1
    Legacy Member WillSarchet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Last On
    07-28-2023 @ 12:41 PM
    Location
    Washington State
    Posts
    84
    Real Name
    William Sarchet
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    04:48 AM

    Tulipwood stocked SMLE MkIs

    From the Annual Accounts for Small Arms Factories 1905-1906:
    Attachment 121157

    4,996 SMLE MkIs made at Enfield Lock were stocked in tulipwood. No spare furniture is marked as being made of the same; nor are any other arms noted as using American Whitewood. Has anyone seen one of these? I don't have the 1904-1905 or 1906-1907 records so I'm not sure if this was a one-time experiment or if it was a regular occurrence.
    Information
    Warning: This is a relatively older thread
    This discussion is older than 360 days. Some information contained in it may no longer be current.

  2. The Following 2 Members Say Thank You to WillSarchet For This Useful Post:


  3. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Location
    Milsurps.Com
    Posts
    All Threads
    A Collector's View - The SMLE Short Magazine Lee Enfield 1903-1989. It is 300 8.5x11 inch pages with 1,000+ photo’s, most in color, and each book is serial-numbered.  Covering the SMLE from 1903 to the end of production in India in 1989 it looks at how each model differs and manufacturer differences from a collecting point of view along with the major accessories that could be attached to the rifle. For the record this is not a moneymaker, I hope just to break even, eventually, at $80/book plus shipping.  In the USA shipping is $5.00 for media mail.  I will accept PayPal, Zelle, MO and good old checks (and cash if you want to stop by for a tour!).  CLICK BANNER to send me a PM for International pricing and shipping. Manufacturer of various vintage rifle scopes for the 1903 such as our M73G4 (reproduction of the Weaver 330C) and Malcolm 8X Gen II (Unertl reproduction). Several of our scopes are used in the CMP Vintage Sniper competition on top of 1903 rifles. Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Specializing in premium ammunition and reloading components. Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

  4. #2
    Contributing Member CINDERS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last On
    03-25-2024 @ 11:01 AM
    Location
    South West Western Australia
    Posts
    7,734
    Real Name
    CINDERS
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    07:48 PM
    Given the attrition rates 1914 - 1915 if they did do overseas service which is more than likely their survival would be rather sketchy such was the demand for the rifles that the mother country sent out the call to its dominions that had the MKIII's they send what could be spared back to her.
    Lithgow had only been producing the rifles for barely 2 years (1912) but from what I have read here Australiaicon did send back a good swag of what we had here.

  5. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  6. #3
    Banned Mark Thorp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2021
    Last On
    11-13-2021 @ 03:41 PM
    Location
    Denver, Colorado
    Age
    92
    Posts
    4
    Real Name
    mark thorp
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    06:48 AM
    No, never seen any in the US maybe try were for trials

  7. #4
    Advisory Panel Patrick Chadwick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Last On
    06-25-2023 @ 06:36 AM
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    5,032
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    01:48 PM
    I’m sure I’m not the only one who is not familiar with the appearance of tulipwood in its finished state. Pictures on the internet just seem to show raw material, not finished objects.

    Has anyone got a good photo of a slice of polished/oiled tulipwood that they could post here?

    And couldn‘t „whitewood“ mean several species. Why tulipwood in particular?
    Last edited by Patrick Chadwick; 11-05-2021 at 10:58 AM.

  8. #5
    Legacy Member WillSarchet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Last On
    07-28-2023 @ 12:41 PM
    Location
    Washington State
    Posts
    84
    Real Name
    William Sarchet
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    04:48 AM
    Thread Starter
    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick View Post

    Has anyone got a good photo of a slice of polished/oiled tulipwood that they could post here?

    And couldn‘t „whitewood“ mean several species. Why tulipwood in particular?
    I'm also unfamiliar with what RLO-finished whitewood/tulipwood looks like, I'm seeing if any of the woodworkers I know have a scrap I could have. Once I have that I'll post a comparison photo next to walnut.

    Whitewood is a general term in some contexts, but American Whitewood from what I have found specifically refers to tulipwood or the tulip poplar tree. It also has better properties for a gunstock than "modern" whitewoods like pine or fir. Whitewood as a general term also appears to be a relatively recent application of the term, while period UKicon documents (for example the specifications for the Chest, Rifle, Short MLE MkI) seem to use deal as the general term for SPF type softwoods.
    Last edited by WillSarchet; 11-05-2021 at 11:25 AM.

  9. #6
    Contributing Member ssgross's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2020
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 10:09 PM
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    1,517
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    07:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick View Post
    And couldn‘t „whitewood
    Isn't whitewood at the hardwood store raw pine? Usually the lower grade planks with knots in it

  10. #7
    Advisory Panel browningautorifle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    Today @ 12:49 AM
    Location
    Victoria BC
    Posts
    29,839
    Real Name
    Jim
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    04:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ssgross View Post
    raw pine
    No one would use pine for gunstocks...
    Regards, Jim

  11. #8
    Contributing Member ssgross's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2020
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 10:09 PM
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    1,517
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    07:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    No one would use pine for gunstocks...
    I would hope not - point being, and I think we have consensus now, is that "whitewood" is a generic term not necessarily species specific. maybe it's meant to mean sapwood vs. heartwood?

  12. Thank You to ssgross For This Useful Post:


  13. #9
    Contributing Member StratA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 12:51 PM
    Location
    Ottawa
    Posts
    59
    Real Name
    Neil Chuka
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    06:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ssgross View Post
    I would hope not - point being, and I think we have consensus now, is that "whitewood" is a generic term not necessarily species specific. maybe it's meant to mean sapwood vs. heartwood?
    In general it often refers to lumber from one of the tree species in the genus populus. The tulip tree is not of the same genus but the lumber from the tulip tree can closely resemble some of that from poplars. (Sorry, this touched my former profession!)
    However, who knows. White wood is like common names for trees--the meaning can be very different state to state, province to province, region to region, etc.

  14. Thank You to StratA For This Useful Post:


  15. #10
    Legacy Member WillSarchet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Last On
    07-28-2023 @ 12:41 PM
    Location
    Washington State
    Posts
    84
    Real Name
    William Sarchet
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    04:48 AM
    Thread Starter
    Quote Originally Posted by StratA View Post
    In general it often refers to lumber from one of the tree species in the genus populus. The tulip tree is not of the same genus but the lumber from the tulip tree can closely resemble some of that from poplars. (Sorry, this touched my former profession!)
    However, who knows. White wood is like common names for trees--the meaning can be very different state to state, province to province, region to region, etc.
    Right, the Accounts specifiy American Whitewood which from what I can tell is specifically tulipwood/tulip poplar/yellow poplar (but not really a poplar), and not referring to whitewoods from America. From what I can tell what we now call whitewoods, would have been called deal or dealwood which is now an obsolete term. I can't see any of the "modern" whitewoods being used for rifle stocks but tulipwood seems like it would be right in with Queensland Maple or Coachwood as a decent substitute wood.

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. WIRE STOCKED M2 CARBINES
    By dirty doc in forum M1/M2 Carbine
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 09-16-2019, 10:16 PM
  2. My 602 build just became a green stocked 601
    By imarangemaster in forum M16A2/AR15A2 Rifles
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 11-09-2017, 08:28 PM
  3. sporterized 1903 stocked by...
    By rugersworld in forum M1903/1903A3/A4 Springfield Rifle
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-06-2015, 12:21 AM
  4. Teak stocked Mk III
    By CINDERS in forum The Lee Enfield Knowledge Library Collectors Forum
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 11-08-2013, 04:26 PM
  5. First go with a Sage stocked M1A
    By jmoore in forum Range Reports - Show us how good you are!
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-03-2012, 05:13 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Raven Rocks