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    This is a common occurrence in Japaneseicon firearms where there is not a clean cut designation in serial numbers between a change in components.
    If your forestock wood and rear band shows no evidence of ever having a mono-pod installed, I would not be looking for one to put on it. TJK 37th mono-pods are proof stamped on the right side of the band spring with the "sha" stamp, and the foot of the pod itself is the standard rounded foot, not the flat foot of the Kokura 20th-21st series rifles. Look in the dust cover grooves for any bluing wear. If it was issued with a cover, you will see wear. Most, if not all original long cleaning rods I have observed are not proofed, but show a slight plum color in the bluing. I agree with Singer and J-Rod to leave the rifle "as is". If you are purchasing from the GI's family, it's a good chance that this rifle is "as manufactured".

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpc View Post
    No as you mentioned, I don’t intend to do anything to the rifles finish. It was poor wording and frustration on my part after fighting with auto correct trying to use Japaneseicon words etc. the only restoration I was thinking about was adding a correct cleaning rod, and maybe a monopod and bolt cover. I like the original finish and character from what in my imagination could be battle damage verse just dropping the rifle in the closet over the years. It has a hole or small chunk missing in the cleaning rod channel about half way between the upper and lower band. Thank you for the comments!
    You did an awesome job with the Japanese words!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jangle View Post
    This is a common occurrence in Japaneseicon firearms where there is not a clean cut designation in serial numbers between a change in components.
    If your forestock wood and rear band shows no evidence of ever having a mono-pod installed, I would not be looking for one to put on it. TJK 37th mono-pods are proof stamped on the right side of the band spring with the "sha" stamp, and the foot of the pod itself is the standard rounded foot, not the flat foot of the Kokura 20th-21st series rifles. Look in the dust cover grooves for any bluing wear. If it was issued with a cover, you will see wear. Most, if not all original long cleaning rods I have observed are not proofed, but show a slight plum color in the bluing. I agree with Singer and J-Rod to leave the rifle "as is". If you are purchasing from the GI's family, it's a good chance that this rifle is "as manufactured".
    Thank you for the tip reference looking for wear in the dust cover channels. I hadn't thought of that.

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    That’s great to know on the pod. From what I was told by another collector he thought the pod should be a kokura with more of a (flat) triangle base instead of rounded. If you look hard there are slanted lines which could be monopod dents near the upper band. It looks like the rifle may of had a cover. At first I didn’t think so but looking on the opposite side of the groove I can see a small line where it looks like a cover may have touched but since I’ve never owned one before I don’t know if that area would be touched. I took a picture of the marks on the lower stock. One is fairly clear the other is not. Any idea what the little circle is between the kokura and tjk mark is? And thank you to all that have taken the time to comment or add information. Regards
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    Your stock is the correctly proofed stock for TJK.
    It looks like the rifle had both, the mono-pod and a sliding dust cover at one time. You can see the faint lines, as you mentioned, in the lower forestock, as well as the wear on the right side band screw. You will also see bluing wear on the rear band where the mono-pod was installed. Depending on the known history of this rifle, the pod and DC could have been issued items, or they could have been installed and removed at a later time. The mono-pod definitely hadn't been on the rifle very long for it to show very light marks in the wood.

    The small circle between the Arsenal symbols on your receiver is believed to signify "first quality".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jangle View Post
    Your stock is the correctly proofed stock for TJK.
    It looks like the rifle had both, the mono-pod and a sliding dust cover at one time. You can see the faint lines, as you mentioned, in the lower forestock, as well as the wear on the right side band screw. You will also see bluing wear on the rear band where the mono-pod was installed. Depending on the known history of this rifle, the pod and DC could have been issued items, or they could have been installed and removed at a later time. The mono-pod definitely hadn't been on the rifle very long for it to show very light marks in the wood.

    The small circle between the Arsenal symbols on your receiver is believed to signify "first quality".
    Thank you for the additional information and comments.

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