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    Found this interesting main pic from the battle for the bridge at Arnhem its not the chap in the fore ground;
    "Captain John Killick of the 89th Field Security Section on the streets of Arnhem 18th September 1944, with a Germanicon prisoner".

    Rather A) The arrogant look of their German prisoner
    B) The sten in the back ground appears to have a fore grip on it, they all have their bayonets fitted.

    Just wondering was the fore grip introduced or was this a field modification not officially adopted by the MoD.
    I know special forces customise their rigs to suit themselves just wondering if the practice was apparent in WWII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CINDERS View Post
    Found this interesting main pic from the battle for the bridge at Arnhem its not the chap in the fore ground;
    "Captain John Killick of the 89th Field Security Section on the streets of Arnhem 18th September 1944, with a Germanicon prisoner".

    Rather A) The arrogant look of their German prisoner
    B) The sten in the back ground appears to have a fore grip on it, they all have their bayonets fitted.

    Just wondering was the fore grip introduced or was this a field modification not officially adopted by the MoD.
    I know special forces customise their rigs to suit themselves just wondering if the practice was apparent in WWII.
    They are Sten Mk.V's.
    Pretty much all of the Sten's issued to 1st AB Div for OP Market Garden were the new Mk.V version.
    Just the thing for putting round holes in square heads.

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    Did the 1st Airborne Division also have a small qty of Patchett Mk.Is at Arnhem as well.

    Not sure if its true or just a rumor
    Regards Simon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon P View Post
    Did the 1st Airborne Division also have a small qty of Patchett Mk.Is at Arnhem as well.

    Not sure if its true or just a rumor
    Not ever heard that.........and I'd be astonished if it were true, as given that virtually none of the kit taken in, came out, they would have been captured by the Germans.

    Some of them went in with M1icon Carbines though.

    Has the operation taken place a month or two later, they might have gone in with No.5's instead of No.4's as well.
    Just the thing for putting round holes in square heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon P View Post
    Did the 1st Airborne Division also have a small qty of Patchett Mk.Is at Arnhem as well.
    I've heard it suggested before but I don't know if it's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying10uk View Post
    I've heard it suggested before but I don't know if it's true.
    Maybe more likely to have been Op Varsity rather than Market Garden IMHO, if it indeed happened at all before VE Day?
    Just the thing for putting round holes in square heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CINDERS View Post
    Rather A) The arrogant look of their Germanicon prisoner
    After capitulation you could find lots of them that insisted they hadn't been defeated at all, they were ordered to surrender.
    Regards, Jim

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    It's funny. I look at him and see a man who has been made prisoner and is confident that he will be well-handled. There also appears to be a look of professional interest in what is going on in front of him. Different perspective, I suppose.

    I find it hard to forget the camouflage gag from A Bridge Too Far."



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    The early Mk.5's all had a foregrip; it was discontinued on Britishicon guns in 1945.

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    The other interesting things in the photo of him waking down the street in Arnhem, is the fact he's wearing a RAC dropped holster, as well as it highlighting the special Para version of the battledress trousers with the chamois lined bellows leg pocket for carrying extra kit/ammo as seen to good effect in this photo.

    Just the thing for putting round holes in square heads.

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