+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 29

Thread: Mosin M1891 D.1895 Bolt not closing

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #11
    Advisory Panel browningautorifle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 10:05 PM
    Location
    Victoria BC
    Posts
    29,836
    Real Name
    Jim
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    06:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by BVZ24 View Post
    I'll update if you want.
    We do...
    Regards, Jim

  2. The Following 2 Members Say Thank You to browningautorifle For This Useful Post:


  3. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Location
    Milsurps.Com
    Posts
    All Threads
    A Collector's View - The SMLE Short Magazine Lee Enfield 1903-1989. It is 300 8.5x11 inch pages with 1,000+ photo’s, most in color, and each book is serial-numbered.  Covering the SMLE from 1903 to the end of production in India in 1989 it looks at how each model differs and manufacturer differences from a collecting point of view along with the major accessories that could be attached to the rifle. For the record this is not a moneymaker, I hope just to break even, eventually, at $80/book plus shipping.  In the USA shipping is $5.00 for media mail.  I will accept PayPal, Zelle, MO and good old checks (and cash if you want to stop by for a tour!).  CLICK BANNER to send me a PM for International pricing and shipping. Manufacturer of various vintage rifle scopes for the 1903 such as our M73G4 (reproduction of the Weaver 330C) and Malcolm 8X Gen II (Unertl reproduction). Several of our scopes are used in the CMP Vintage Sniper competition on top of 1903 rifles. Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Specializing in premium ammunition and reloading components. Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

  4. #12
    Legacy Member BVZ24's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2021
    Last On
    Today @ 08:04 AM
    Location
    WI
    Posts
    170
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    09:07 AM
    Thread Starter
    Verdict, after 2 trips and a reamer, no work performed.
    The gunsmith checked headspace, in my opinion, very late, and decided that cutting the chamber would make too large.
    He thinks that the shoulder is off and wants to cut the barrel back and cut a new chamber. Nope.
    I still fail to understand why a touch with the reamer wouldn't fix the shoulder enough to chamber.
    I'm like 0/4 on surplus rifles this year.

  5. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  6. #13
    Contributing Member Singer B's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2019
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 04:14 PM
    Location
    Desert Hot Springs, California
    Posts
    1,053
    Real Name
    Walt Meyer
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    08:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by BVZ24 View Post
    Verdict, after 2 trips and a reamer, no work performed.
    The gunsmith checked headspace, in my opinion, very late, and decided that cutting the chamber would make too large.
    He thinks that the shoulder is off and wants to cut the barrel back and cut a new chamber. Nope.
    I still fail to understand why a touch with the reamer wouldn't fix the shoulder enough to chamber.
    I'm like 0/4 on surplus rifles this year.
    It's kind of weird. We have an expert Arisakaicon gunsmith and an expert Lee Enfield gunsmith hanging around these threads (I've used both and they are excellent) but I haven't seen or heard of an expert Mosin gunsmith. Anyone know of any?

  7. #14
    Contributing Member usabaker's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2017
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 10:33 PM
    Location
    San Deigo, CA
    Posts
    1,732
    Real Name
    Bill Baker
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    06:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by BVZ24 View Post
    Verdict, after 2 trips and a reamer, no work performed.
    The gunsmith checked headspace.
    What was the results of the headspace gauges? This would guide you to the proper solution

  8. #15
    Legacy Member BVZ24's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2021
    Last On
    Today @ 08:04 AM
    Location
    WI
    Posts
    170
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    09:07 AM
    Thread Starter
    He didn't go into the exact details, but it closed on the go gauge and didn't close when he dropped in a few thousandths shims until it didn't close.
    The reamer that he got would cut the rim as well, so it would increase headspace.

  9. #16
    Legacy Member jond41403's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2018
    Last On
    @
    Location
    Tn
    Posts
    511
    Real Name
    Jon dale
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    09:07 AM
    Am I missing something here? closing on the go gauge is a good thing. Adding a few thousand shims would make it a no-go gauge wouldn't it? Which is good that it did not close on the no-go gauge. If it closes on the go gauge then I'm not understanding why it's not closing with a mil-spec round. They are supposed to be the same. Surely someone here works on a lot of Mosins that could help in this situation?
    Last edited by jond41403; 08-20-2022 at 10:20 PM.
    "good night Chesty, Wherever You Are"

  10. #17
    Legacy Member BVZ24's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2021
    Last On
    Today @ 08:04 AM
    Location
    WI
    Posts
    170
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    09:07 AM
    Thread Starter
    I think it's a combination of any number of these factors.
    1. Really good headspace. Mosins just aren't supposed to be that tight.
    2. Thicker modern commercial ammo cases. They are too big in the chamber. I actually should have found old surplus ammo to try before I sent it to the gunsmith.
    3. A slightly off shoulder angle.



    If most people find a Mosin that doesn't work, they just get a different mosin.

  11. Thank You to BVZ24 For This Useful Post:


  12. #18
    Legacy Member jond41403's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2018
    Last On
    @
    Location
    Tn
    Posts
    511
    Real Name
    Jon dale
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    09:07 AM
    Yeah, plus I forgot Mosins headspace off the rim not the shoulder.
    "good night Chesty, Wherever You Are"

  13. #19
    Legacy Member Bruce_in_Oz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last On
    Today @ 04:54 AM
    Location
    Brisbane
    Posts
    2,237
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    11:07 PM
    Interesting "gunsmith"..

    In general, rimmed rounds headspace on the RIM, not on the csae shoulder.

    If a factory fresh cartridge will not drop fully into the chamber, there IS an obstruction.

    Separated cases are pretty rare with Mil Surplus in ANY reasonable firearm., Reloads? Not so much.. IF a many-times reloaded BRASS case has separated and left the front half behind, there are special tools to remove such obstructions and they re relatively cheap and abundant. Given the dimensions of the standard Russianicon case, One of the "MIL" -type case extractors, correctly used, will do the trick.

    The "US" type, .30 cal / 7.62 NATO case extractors that have a thread in the front "cone" are the go. The CORRECT way to use these is to screw a bunch of rod sections to the extractor and GENTLY insert it from the REAR. There needs to be a couple of inches of rod protruding from the muzzle. The whole shebang MUST be inserted far enough that the external "collet" clips over the front end of the case neck. A GENTLE tap with a SOFT mallet or block of wood is usually sufficient to drive out the offending object.. Probably more than a few Videos floating about. Hopefully at least one will show the correct equipment. and method.

    If, after all that, you still cannot fully chamber a round, find an actual gunsmith with Mil-Surp experience and especially, with "furrin" firearms.

  14. #20
    Legacy Member 1903Collector's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Last On
    03-14-2024 @ 05:19 PM
    Location
    3rd Rock from the Sun, northern half of the western hemisphere, USA, Texas, Highland Village
    Posts
    184
    Real Name
    David Minick
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    08:07 AM
    I agree with the article Jim referenced. I had the same problem with my 1894 Spanish Mauser model 1893. IT WAS DIRT AND GRIM plane and simple. Packed in over a period of 100 years or more! I couldnt see it. The bullet appeared to seat properly.
    As long as the barrel isnt short chambered (unlikey) you just need to get a dental pick and chamber brush in there with some solvent (maybe) and clean it until you see only shinny metal...no dirt anywhere!

+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 1 2 3 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. M1891 Mosin Nagant
    By Snowman1510 in forum Soviet Bloc Rifles
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 02-16-2017, 05:36 PM
  2. Type 99 bolt closing question.
    By butlersrangers in forum Japanese Rifles
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 12-16-2014, 07:06 PM
  3. Help for newbie with closing bolt issues
    By raidfc in forum The Lee Enfield Knowledge Library Collectors Forum
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 06-15-2013, 12:42 PM
  4. Ishapore No1 MKIII* hard closing bolt
    By Lucite in forum The Lee Enfield Knowledge Library Collectors Forum
    Replies: 44
    Last Post: 01-18-2012, 08:26 AM
  5. Quality Hardware - bolt not closing
    By gunsmith II in forum M1/M2 Carbine
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 01-01-2010, 02:33 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Raven Rocks