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    24 Sept 2022 Garand Picture of the Day

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    I sure would hate to be inside that thing and get hit with something with all those gallons of whatever mixture they used. Does anybody know how many gallons of flamethrower mixture they held?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jond41403 View Post
    I sure would hate to be inside that thing and get hit with something with all those gallons of whatever mixture they used. Does anybody know how many gallons of flamethrower mixture they held?
    Total fuel capacity for the flame guns was 250 US Gallons (1137 liters).

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    Oh wow, Thanks Mark! Can you imagine the fireball of something like that going off at once? I know flamethrower tanks on the backs of our men unfortunately got hit and exploded so I couldn't even begin to imagine if one of these did
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    Quote Originally Posted by jond41403 View Post
    I know flamethrower tanks on the backs of our men, unfortunately, got hit and exploded so I couldn't even begin to imagine if one of these did
    One of my coworkers in rochester was a flame thrower tech in ww2 in Italyicon he never mentioned them exploding but did indicate that he did a good amount of patching on the tanks and pressure testing them. Here is some interesting info... Mark



    Good Question: Did Flamethrowers From WW2 Explode When Shot?
    INSTANT ARTICLESWORLD WAR II

    A question often asked is: do flame-throwers from WW2 explode when they are shot?

    Well, to answer that question, first let’s set out some parameters.

    The flame-thrower in question is being shot at by a typical weapon of World War Two: the standard U.S. service rifle, the M1 Garand.

    The Garand, with its muzzle velocity of 2,800 feet (853 meters) and an effective range of around 1,500 feet (457 meters) should be able to hit our target easily enough and with some significant kinetic force.

    In relation to the type of flame-thrower to be used in our experiment, there were two different common versions: the American M2 from the Allied inventory, and the Germanicon Flammenwerfer 35.

    M2 Flame-thrower (US- First introduced in 1943)

    Weight: 68lbs
    Effective Range: 65ft
    Fuel Capacity: 4 Gallons
    The American M2 was a one-man flame-thrower consisting of two cylindrical fuel tanks containing gasoline.

    On top was a smaller tank that was pressurized and contained non-flammable nitrogen gas or air. A hose connected the nitrogen/air tank to the fuel cylinders. A longer hose led to a nozzle with an ignition system and trigger, used by the operator to fire the weapon.

    Flammenwerfer 35 (German- Introduced in 1935)

    Weight: 79lbs
    Effective Range: 80ft
    Gallon: 3 Gallons

    The FmW 35 was a one-man German portable flame-thrower. It consisted of a single cylindrical fuel tank containing three gallons of gasoline and tar mix, with a hose and trigger operated nozzle.

    Piggybacked to the fuel tank was the nitrogen propellant in a small pressurized tank. It was significantly heavier than its counterparts, being 11lbs heavier than the American M2 and 22Ilbs heavier than the Japaneseicon Type 93.

    So it had the same basic layout as the American M2 flame-thrower. The propellant was fed into the fuel tanks then the pressurized mixture was forced through a heavy duty hose to an ignition built into a nozzle.

    The operator could then aim at a target and activate the weapon with the trigger.

    So we have established that the two weapons are sufficiently similar that being hit by a bullet would have the same outcome.

    If the Garand bullet hit the fuel tanks, it might not necessarily penetrate the thick metal wall of the cylinder. But if it did punch a hole through it, the most likely result would just be fuel leaking out.

    Since there is no ignition event, there would be no explosion.

    Although a bullet might be very hot for a few moments after it is fired (due to the friction and the explosion that propelled it in the first place), its temperature would be far too low to ignite anything.

    And in the very unlikely event of the bullet causing a spark as it ruptured the metallic fuel tank, that the spark might not be sufficient to reach the spontaneous ignition point of gasoline which is just over 530 Degrees Fahrenheit (which is around 80 Degrees Fahrenheit higher than paper).

    Of course, if the weapon did by chance explode, it would do so with devastating effect, especially if the tanks were full of gasoline. The most likely outcome is that it would kill or seriously injure the flame-thrower operator.

    But the real danger was from the nitrogen pressurized tank. Though nitrogen is non-combustible if the tanks were penetrated it would explode much like an aerosol can.

    The force of the explosion and the ensuing shrapnel could easily kill the operator of the flame-thrower.

    Of course, the real game changer would be if our Garand-armed shooter was using armor-piercing incendiary rounds such as the .30-06 Springfield M14icon cartridge.

    This would result in it easily penetrating any of the tanks and would almost certainly ignite the gasoline as the cartridge is designed to be used against lightly-armored, flammable targets.

    So the answer to the question is that it is possible but difficult to cause a flame-thrower to explode using small-arms fire unless you have a lot of luck or special ammunition.

    But the real danger to the flame-thrower operator was that he had to get within a relatively short range of his target to use his weapon, giving the opposition ample time to shoot at him first.

    What made operators even more vulnerable was that they were slow-moving targets and had to stand up to use their weapons. Operators also found it more difficult to utilize cover due to the nature of the weapon.

    However, in the right situation, flame-throwers could be devastatingly effective and psychologically terrifying, often clearing bunkers that seemed only moments before to be totally impregnable.

    And it is worth noting that flame-thrower operators were hated so much by all sides that they were rarely ever taken, prisoner.
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    Outstanding information mark! I'm ashamed to admit I got this idea in my head from saving private Ryan scene where the flamethrower guy got hit and blew up haha. Today those M14icon type rounds are fairly rare and I'm lucky enough to own a sealed box of them. I do know from reading that flamethrowers had of course a high casualty rate because like you stated, they were slow and terrifying and were usually one of the first targets to be taken out if spotted. I have read where GIs didn't even want to stand nowhere near a flamethrower because of this fact knowing that he was a main target
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    Quote Originally Posted by CINDERS View Post
    The power of a compressed cylinder go to 5 mins 30 secs for the result.
    Compressed gas cylinders are no joke. For example, if the fire department shows up for a garage fire and find out there is a torch setup or any other large gas cylinder? They will stand back and let it burn and only try to put out what's left after the cylinder/cylinders blow. An old friend had such an experience.
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