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    How can I go about ascertaining that?

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    Gary - I was referring to the receiver photo that 'Chuck in Denver' posted with the bogus markings on the left-side of the receiver.

    I believe 'reproduction' receivers that were marked National Ordnance & Santa Fe Arms were rough investment castings.
    Taking such an action out of the stock would likely reveal casting marks and seams.

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    Federal Ordnance/Santa Fe/ National Ordnance rifles, (all related), with cast receivers have been showing up at gun shows for years.

    The poor quality receivers, combined with nice G.I. surplus parts, can look like a good condition 1903A3 Springfield rifle at quick glance.

    Chuck in Denver posted the photo of a 1903A4 with bogus markings. That receiver looked to have kind of rounded edges, like it was cast or markings had been ground & polished off.

    I was supposing some unscrupulous varmint might put bogus markings on one of these 'knock-off' 1903A3 rifles and sell it as legit.

    Worth being vigilant!

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    I'll post some more detailed pix of that area of the suspect gun... after the NFL wild card games!

    To be honest, I can't see what Chuck is trying to show, but my pix should provide some contrast.

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    Ive found in the past the Nat ordnance receivers had the wrong threads for the front bottom metal screw.
    A GI screw will not work in them fwiw, they're 1/4x25 if Im not mistaken.
    I cant recall how the rear or long screw panned out for that instance.

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    I am amazed at the 'Bucky Beaver' trim job on this handguard.

    I cannot make out the obliterated receiver markings.

    The Natl. Ord. receivers are in the 5 million range.

    This is photo shows #4,996,921, so I guess it could be Remington?



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    Quote Originally Posted by GaryWKeim View Post
    How can I go about ascertaining that?
    If there is no stripper clip guide in front of the rear sight, then it's a National Ordnance or Santa Fe. Salt Flat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salt Flat View Post
    no stripper clip guide
    Pretty simple.
    Regards, Jim

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    OP's receiver appears to be a real 1903A3 and not aftermarket cast Fed. Ord.

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    I have an A4 that someone sporterized and I restored. The serial was likely not struck very deep, then bubba wheeled over it to blue. I had it parkerized to match the NOS barrel. light sand blasting made what was left of the serial pop. I got lucky - it still had it's original bolt, GI base and rings on it too. Also lucky I was able to buy it as little more than scrap. The cut back barrel was a real sewer pipe.


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