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    Warner & Swasey scope -2-

    Just found the Photo of the Mount and the second photo from the Italianicon theatre:
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    That's better resolution than most versions of that photo. Tried to find a clean one from the Archives here but they're behind a pay-wall now apparently. The other photo shows the front end of the base of course, but one would need the original quality to discern the details.

    As for how they wrote the dates on the drawings, I think it was Nigel who kindly posted a number of drawings from RSAF(E) done in 1940 for various scope/rifle combinations. I had the impression those were done post-Dunkirk as they seemed to be improvised or stop-gap setups. If those drawings have dates and other info similar to this one, that might clarify the matter.

    Odd that they specify the scope has to clear the long-range sight - presumably this was before the Weedon repair program for the P14/No.3 rifles got under way?

    Probably that is the base they used though, unless there was thought given to buying up W&S scopes off the American surplus market and re-using those?? Doesn't seem likely, but those were desperate times.
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    If I remeber correct this photo is in the Canadianicon National Archive, but I don`t remember the keyword for my search. That I found it, was an accident (my research was about a complete other theme and I was surprised to find this).

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    https://captainstevens.com/wp-conten...C-PA130609.jpg

    This is the only other image of a Canadianicon using a WW I Warner & Swasey scope on a P14 rifle during WWII. Anybody know of a surviving example?

    I know the 22 Regiment has a W&S on a Ross, but I'm looking for a P14 with a W&S.

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    As for the P14s with W&S mounted, I've posted before that I have reliable reports of one on the loose here in Canadaicon in the 1960s. My guess would be that it was brought back by a soldier or a battalion as IIRC a document posted here previously refers to a Britishicon requirement that non-No.4 sniper rifles be turned in to stores as No.4(T)s were issued to replace them in late 1943 and early 1944.
    Quoted from the other thread. Anyone have any idea where this surviving rifle with W&S actually exists and its whereabouts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riter View Post
    Quoted from the other thread. Anyone have any idea where this surviving rifle with W&S actually exists and its whereabouts?
    I was told about it by a very well informed and very reliable gent, who knew of it in the 1960s. Since this was not something I had directly asked about, there was no likelihood of "suggestion" either.

    I tried to trace it down at the time, but the trail was too cold.
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    That's a long time ago. The collector who had it probably crossed the Styx so it may be either be with the family or went to an auction house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riter View Post
    https://captainstevens.com/wp-conten...C-PA130609.jpg This is the only other image of a Canadianicon using a WW I Warner & Swasey scope on a P14 rifle during WWII. Anybody know of a surviving example?
    Note it is the same guy, same rifle (and I think maybe even same building, just different place) as the other picture. He even has the same ammo belt slung around his body and you can see the same helmet with net in both.


    We once had a guy on the forum who posted pictures of his home build of this setup. The attached pictures show how he had attached the rail to his rifle. Pictures in this forum were lost in the great crash.
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    Was that the same guy who machined one at GunBoards? That stuff would take time but isn't that challenging if you have a milling machine.

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