Taiwan Made Carbine Mags

[painter777]

Curious if anyone has tried the new Taiwanese 10rd and or 30rd magazines offered by What a Country?
Currently listed 10rd for $14.99 and 30rd for $19.99.

I have plenty of GI mags tucked away. And keep my shooting mags in a range bag. But only have a few 10rd mags that I like using for multiple reasons. Stripper loads and 10 shot groups come to mind.

Thx,

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[USGI]

Saw those for the first time yesterday and wondered the same thing. Did you see the Danish G.I 30's for around $35? - Bob

[painter777]

Did you see the Danish G.I 30's for around $35?

Yea, Those have been around a while. Pretty rare for me to shoot any 30rd's.
The few 10rd's I have are all Fill Blocked in the bottoms. Just came along with other misc buys. But I've really got used to using them. Easy to keep track of the 10 count.

[painter777]

GI Bob,
Just noticed in the picture WAC always uses of their Original C tip sling, it appears to have different type C tips on it.
Does the lengths of the legs of the C look different to you?
Picture is from their site.

Now I'll admit I'm a couple doubles of Jim Beam in to my day, but the Tips appear off.
What do you see ?

[USGI]

Yep, looks different. I forgot to mention earlier, but thought the shape of the followers on those Taiwanese 10 rd mags seem to have an odd shape to them. See what I mean? - Bob

[W5USMC]

Saw those for the first time yesterday and wondered the same thing. Did you see the Danish G.I 30's for around $35?

In regard to their "Danish GI" 30 round magazines. I contacted them and asked if they are marked, turns out they are AYP magazines. Ended up having a conversation with Damon from WAC, I asked if they had any hard evidence that they were actually Danish GI mags. He stated did not have any evidence and only based their description on what they read over 20 years ago. He did say that he recalled that when they were shipped to them (20 plus years ago) they were in a in a large unmarked wooden pallet box and that there was also a quantity of USGI SEY magazines mixed in with them. I did end up buying one and it was a AYP mag in pretty good condition. There has been a lot of speculation about the origin of these mags over the years, but I believe that we are still needing hard factual evidence on what country they are actually from.

[USGI]

OK, I thought they might be something new. Good to know that Damon is still working there. I've got one AYP in new condition that I've had for 15 years and have never used it. I have it in my database as Post War, NATO, produced in Belgium by FN. Also remember them as having been faked at some point with a variation in the way the letters AYP were formed. - Bob

[W5USMC]

Bob, here is a bit more on the AYP mags.
Thoughts n AYP Magazines - The Carbine Collector's Club - Page 1

[USGI]

Thanks, Wayne. I looked at most all of those links tonight. One thing I remember Bill Ricca saying was that no USGI mag would (not?) have that one hole in the back - not sure if he was talking about the drain hole at the bottom or the hole you can see in the back of the follower. He must have been referring to the follower - Also, I wasn't aware of that "wrinkle" since I've never had mine apart. I wouldn't say that the AYP is especially "robust" - maybe even looks a little cheaper than an SEY split-back. I compared the weight to an SEY and the AYP is about 3 grams lighter. - Bob

[USGI]

Here's the quote from Bill Ricca on the "holes" I was trying to remember when I made the last post here. I think it's still available here on the forum - believe this is where it came from. Also, below Mr. Ricca's quote I'll post some pics comparing my NOS AYP mag with a Korean UU I bought a few years ago at a local show for $12 - Kinda wish I would've bought more of them at that price! The AYP will be on the left or on the bottom in all of the pictures. Jond, you might recognize these pictures. They were taken about 3 years ago when we were discussing some SEY's you had a question about. - Bob

"If you look at the rear of the welded magazines you will see a hole near the top. If you look through that hole while you move the follower up and down you will see a hole in the rear of the follower. No USGI magazine ever had that hole.

Many of today's repro have it.

Another note: I cannot see your magazine in person so I cannot comment on its quality, but as Jimb said it is not US GI. The SGN dealers and gunshows are loaded with them, each has a different story as why they are US.

Another note: ALL US GI ordnance stampings require deburring. It is on every drawing I have ever examined. The current joke are the 03 Springfield "Remington" marked sight covers. They are configured like some of early SA sight covers from WWI, but have the WWII marks and are crude, no deburring. I think they originated in China (not Taiwan).

Keep in mind the next time around these fake AYP's and J's will be improved a little more. Eventually they will copy them exactly and by the year 2025, 58 years after the last known production of 30 round magazines, there will be plenty of "US GI" 30 rounders on the market."