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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Payneicon View Post
    The rifle started life as a BSA Shirley or Faz Mk1. If the OP takes the barrelled action out of the woodwork & has a look at the draws we can tell tell which of the two. If they are asymmetrical in shape then it's a Faz; it they are symmetrical it's a BSA Shirley. There's an outside chance of an early Savage or perhaps a POFicon (though I must admit I don't know if POF made Mk1 rifles or Mk2's or both). Much more likely BSA or Faz. The FTR marks are IMHO also likely to be BSA. How & when it got to Canadaicon I've no idea.......
    I've seen three or four of these DCRA conversions built on Mk2 actions of the 1954-55 vintage. At least two of them had "Parker-Hale Birmingham" stamped in a small font on top of the receiver ring, so apparently PH were selling some such rifles in that period. It's also possible they were purchased in the UKicon by Bisley team members or even military personnel posted there.

    In view of the A prefix serial number I'm wondering if this action is not a new build Mk2 that for some reason was marked as an FTR? I have the remains of a Faz Mk2 here that is marked FTR 1957 - why would a relatively new Mk2 be going through FTR in 1957 ?

    Perhaps some new actions or rifles on hand in the factory being used to make up totals as part of an FTR program, thereby replacing rifles that didn't pass the receiver/body inspections?

    NB: the photo cuts off the serial number; it is longer than "A12", but I don't feel like digging out the receiver to get the rest of it.
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    Don't forget that BSA did a series of FTR's (including changing to Mk2 specifications) for non-UK military customers.

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    The Mk1/2 and 1/3 mid 50's conversions completed at the BSA factory (NOT BSA rifles converted to 1/2 or 1/3 but any rifle converted to 1/2 and 1/3 in the mid 50's onwards by BSA) were not done to a UKicon Military contract. All UK Military - Ministry of Supply conversions were done at Fazakerley as this was the only remaining Government rifle factory and they wanted to keep it open. The BSA FTR's to Mk1/2 and 1/3 were done on contract, for other Governments or under the 'Crown Agents' scheme.

    Very occasionally you could/would see a BSA - FTR X/XX when Ordnance stockpiles were mixed or pooled.
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    My DCRA is a 1955 Fazakerly mk2. It is stamped “Regulated by Fulton” along with the CA 7.62 stamps on the barrel no bayonet lugs and the Maple Leaf stamps on the top of the receiver and bolt handle.
    It has sold out of service marks and I’m curious if Fulton’s sold it new “surplus”.
    Interesting how it went from the UKicon to Canadaicon. It was imported to the US in the late 90’s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surpmil View Post
    I've seen three or four of these DCRA conversions built on Mk2 actions of the 1954-55 vintage. At least two of them had "Parker-Hale Birmingham" stamped in a small font on top of the receiver ring, so apparently PH were selling some such rifles in that period. It's also possible they were purchased in the UK by Bisley team members or even military personnel posted there.

    In view of the A prefix serial number I'm wondering if this action is not a new build Mk2 that for some reason was marked as an FTR? I have the remains of a Faz Mk2 here that is marked FTR 1957 - why would a relatively new Mk2 be going through FTR in 1957 ?

    Perhaps some new actions or rifles on hand in the factory being used to make up totals as part of an FTR program, thereby replacing rifles that didn't pass the receiver/body inspections?

    NB: the photo cuts off the serial number; it is longer than "A12", but I don't feel like digging out the receiver to get the rest of it.
    Most of the DCRA 7.62 rifles were privately owned rifles sent in for conversion by private DCRA/PRA (Provincial Rifle Assn.) members. All makes (except Enfield Trials [though there are a number listed merely as "Brit" No4]) and models (No4MkI, No4MkI*, No4MkI/2, No4MkI/3, No4Mk2, No4MkI(T)) extant in circa 1963 -1968 available as surplus are found.

    Supposedly the first 100 conversions were done for the Military, but that is not borne out by the list of extant rifles on CGN - several rifles within the first 50 are listed as being "Brit FTR" marked.

    I have seen a number built on Long Branch 1945, 1950, 1955, 1956 actions which have Britishicon/Savage/ earlier Long Branch serial numbers, original finish and no sign of previous serial being removed - these are generally replacement actions fitted to replace supplied actions which failed the inspection and were rejected for conversion. Many of the British/Savage actions observed are fitted with new Long Branch bolts - all of the bolts observed show hardness testing impressions at various places on the bolt bodies & bolt heads.
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    I had one of those Mk.2 F57 FTR ones, too, in .308. A15579.

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    My bolt is original Fazakerly serialized to the rifle, but it has a Long Branch bolt head. It also has the DCRA serial number stamped on it.

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    I've seen many DCRA rifles. The ones marked "Regulated by Fulton" started out as service rifles in the UKicon, were regulated by GE Fultons post service in the UK as target rifles in .303. Many eventually wound up in Canadaicon, the owners carried or sent them to CAL for conversion to 7.62 for service rifle competition shooting. They were used primarily for Palma style shooting and were not supplied after conversion with 7.62 extractors or magazines. There were a select few, (the so-called factory specials), that were drilled and tapped for P-H bases, bedded with Bisonite and had 7.62 extractors and Enfield magazines installed but they were not the norm. Most DCRA conversions retained the original .303 extractor and magazine which worked fine for single shot extraction and as a loading platform for long range competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Dickicon View Post
    were not supplied after conversion with 7.62 extractors or magazines.
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    Most DCRA conversions retained the original .303 extractor and magazine which worked fine for single shot extraction and as a loading platform for long range competition.
    That's what mine was. Those mags and extractors didn't surface here for years after.
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    I'm guessing they also didn't have the milling cuts to the magazine well that made feeding reasonably reliable (as in bet-your-life-on-it reliable)

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