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    I have its twin, serial number 688554. It has a Britishicon style lanyard ring instead of the S&W/Colt type on yours. I thought the small proof in front of the trigger guard on the left side of yours and behind the trigger guard on mine are British military but could be wrong. My guess is they were all prewar purchase prior to Lend lease and used in WW2. There were 110,379 purchased by the British starting around sn. 680000 according to the 39th edition, Blue Book of Gun Values

    I also have two of the 5" LL revolvers, one with a Canadianicon ownership mark and the other an Australianicon owned revolver that's Parkerized with post WW2 Aussie FTR markings.
    I also have one of the five inch Lend-Lease revolvers with post war Australian FTR marks. I've sent off to the S&W Historical Society for a letter on this most recent revolver. Here's picture of the Lend-Lease BSR. It is a pretty good shooter with my 38-200 reloads.
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    The Australianicon .38-200 revolver I have is also FTR 1954 if memory serves. Parkerized and in excellent condition. Imported to the USAicon post 1986. The Canadianicon revolver is original with lots of finish wear but is still tight and sound.

    Nice shooting. Are you using 174 grain cast bullets? These revolvers shoot low with the usual 145 grain American loads.

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    A normal 9x19 will fire in the 38S&W. Not to be recommended but they work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Dickicon View Post
    The Australianicon .38-200 revolver I have is also FTR 1954 if memory serves. Parkerized and in excellent condition. Imported to the USAicon post 1986. The Canadianicon revolver is original with lots of finish wear but is still tight and sound.

    Nice shooting. Are you using 174 grain cast bullets? These revolvers shoot low with the usual 145 grain American loads.
    The load used was a bullet cast from an old NEI #169a mould. 2.0 grains of Bullseye approximates the .380 Mk 1 service load, 200 grain bullet at 650 fps. At 25 yards slow fire it groups pretty well, if a tad high.

    I quite like the bullet. While designed to duplicate the service slug of the Britishicon Empire's 38/200 load, 3.0 grains of Unique gives the same 700 FPS that the old 38 Special 200 grain Super Police loads did. The bullet has more of a secant ogive rather than hemispherical nose of the Lyman 358430. It may be even more likely to yaw. In my opinion, the Brits seemed to have a knack for designing bullets that were nasty or effective, depending on your point of view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daan Kemp View Post
    Not to be recommended
    Exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by old tanker View Post
    the Brits seemed to have a knack for designing bullets that were nasty or effective
    The old soft lead bullets obturated nicely and travelling slow didn't lead like we do now days. They flattened out some when hitting too...
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    I had a chinwag with a Britishicon WW2 veteran many years ago at an AGCA show in Birmingham, Alabama. He stopped because I had a couple of Enfield revolvers in my glass case for sale at the time. The discussion turned to the relative unpopularity of the cartridge in the USAicon. He told me that he witnessed many Germans and Italians being shot by soldiers with Enfield No.2 and S&W .38-200 revolvers from North Africa through Italyicon and Western Europe and he never saw one get up afterwards. You really have to reload and cast the heavier bullets since the prevalent American loading is still the 145-grain RN bullet load.

    Jim, I recently caught that film clip you mentioned with RM Goering surrendering his revolver to US forces. It looked like a big Colt New Service in .45 to me. He didn't look happy handing it over either!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Dickicon View Post
    Jim, I recently caught that film clip you mentioned with RM Goering surrendering his revolver to US forces. It looked like a big Colt New Service in .45 to me. He didn't look happy handing it over either!
    No, very unhappy. I always wondered what happened to that revolver. It was hard to see and even look at if you tried to stop it, thought it was an M&P type frame... I'd still love to handle that revolver.

    The point in that story was always that he was a "Gun guy" which I would think would go undisputed. After all he was an aristocrat and the head Jäger for Germanyicon for decades. He wrote hunting laws that still stand...
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    Goring's S&W was an M&P (now K frame) 38 Special.
    Google goerings guns
    It is in the West Point Army Museum
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    Quote Originally Posted by green View Post
    Goring's S&W was an M&P (now K frame) 38 Special.
    That's what I thought... West point, OK.
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    That FTR mark is Australianicon. We still had some S&W's in Australia and certainly in NZ in the mid to late 60's while I was there. Lots of spares too. All of those that we had were phosphated too. Real mixed bag of Enfields, No2 Brownings - not too common, S&W's plus some No2 Brownings captured from the Indonesians. Said to have been made there but the intelligence people weren't having any of it. They came from Jordan with skimmed off slide marks and Indon markings engraved. But that is another untold story

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