He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose
There are no great men, only great challenges that ordinary men are forced by circumstances to meet.
First guy on the left with his finger on the trigger, not very safe. Everyone else seems to be following proper trigger discipline, Even in the heat of the moment. Just takes one guy, like the guy on the left, for there to be an accident which would escalate things even further. You can just see the tension in everyone's faces in this picture. Great picture Mark!
First guy on the left with his finger on the trigger, not very safe.
Unless there's nothing in the chamber? The rifle nearest has the safety off so I suspect they are all empty. It doesn't excuse poor weapons drill though.
Unless there's nothing in the chamber? The rifle nearest has the safety off so I suspect they are all empty. It doesn't excuse poor weapons drill though.
Pretty sure the chambers were not empty at Kent State
When the crowd refused to leave, the guardsmen fired tear gas at students and began following them directly. After several standoffs, the troops headed back to the top of a steep hill, where they turned toward the demonstrators and fired into the crowd for 13 seconds.
Four students were killed, and nine were wounded. The university was immediately closed, and millions of students on campuses across the country protested the incident.
Companies A and C, 1-145th Infantry and Troop G of the 2-107th Armored Cavalry, Ohio National Guard (ARNG), the units on the campus grounds, under the command of Brigadier General Robert Canterbury,
After repeatedly failing to disperse the crowd, a group of 96 National Guard troops from A Company and Company C, 145th Infantry, and Troop G, 107th Armored Cavalry, were ordered to advance. The guardsmen had their weapons "locked and loaded" (according to standard Ohio National Guard rules) and affixed with bayonets. Most carried M1 Garand rifles, with some also carrying .45 handguns, a few carrying shotguns with #7 birdshot and 00 buckshot munitions, and one officer carrying a 22 Beretta handgun
Last edited by Mark in Rochester; 05-20-2023 at 08:28 PM.
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose
There are no great men, only great challenges that ordinary men are forced by circumstances to meet.
No, but that had escalated so badly. I remember that so well, and always was glad after I was never put into that position.
Besides, I wasn't talking about Kent State, I was referring to the posted picture.
Yes agree my point was that at least for ARNG locked and loaded was Standard Operating procedure.
USE OF FORCE
B-1. When force is necessary, use it according to the priorities of force and limit it to the minimum degree necessary. (See AR 190-14 for the use of deadly force.) The application of any or all of the priorities of force, or the application of a higher numbered priority without first employing a lower numbered one, depends on and will be consistent with the situation encountered. Per AR 190-47, the priorities of force are—
First: Verbal persuasion.
Second: Show of force.
Third: Chemical aerosol irritant projectors (subject to local and HN restrictions).
Fourth: Use of physical force (other than weapons fire).
Fifth: Presentation of deadly force.
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose
There are no great men, only great challenges that ordinary men are forced by circumstances to meet.
at least for ARNG locked and loaded was Standard Operating procedure.
I see. We had a scale of progression too for Aid to the Civil Power. Would start with a mag on but empty. I guess it's possible that the rifle is loaded and off safe and the guy with the carbine has a loaded chamber, finger on...
Here we are marching on to take over BC Penitentiary in 1976. Note mags are on...I promise you were weren't at "Load"...
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