No 3 Mk 1 (T) (P14 with Warner-Swasey)

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In the ongoing search for a P14 with a WW 1 prismatic Warner & Swasey scope, I wrote the aassociation of Canadian Military Museums.

Here's the old link: https://www.milsurps.com/showthread....=Warner-Swasey

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I wrote the aassociation of Canadianicon Military Museums.

Did they reply to you? I was always tempted to at least do a build of those for myself, but I figured I'd want to know first how to do it correctly.

[Surpmil]

In the ongoing search for a P14 with a WW 1 prismatic Warner & Swasey scope, I wrote the aassociation of Canadian Military Museums.

Here's the old link: https://www.milsurps.com/showthread....=Warner-Swasey

I neither see any sense that quantity would change qualification of my reply, this was more a reaction to your claim that you once owned one of those and based on this said:
Quote Originally Posted by Surpmil View Post
The photo is posed and if the rifle was fired as shown the shooter would lose an eye.
This lead me to the reply that I have personal experiences with these scopes myself, to mention that I do have first hand experiences myself, plus the simple fact that what you said is wrong - the shooter will NOT loose an eye when firing the rifle.
Though please now let us get back on topic since this discussion is not what the original poster has asked upon.

Read it more carefully and you'll see I never mentioned anything about claiming to own one.



As for the original post, I doubt 1 in a 100 museum employees even in related institutions would have any idea of what you were inquiring about.

Speaking of which, I came across this by chance recently: More than 800 items are missing from the Canadian Museum of History | Globalnews.ca

More than 800 items could be lost to historical memory after an audit of the Canadian Museum of History found the inventory missing and the corporation with no plans to deal with the issue.
The Office of the Auditor General of Canada produced the report, which was published on Thursday, that examined how the museum carried out its management practices and managed its operations.
Among the issues the audit found was what it called a “significant deficiency” in the museum’s conservation practices resulting in exposure of its collections to various risks, including no robust inventory management system.
According to the report, more than 800 items were declared missing between 2012 and 2022.
In addition, more than 300 items in the museum were not stored properly, and there were thousands more that had no source information — to the tune of more than 15,000.
The report also found that there was a “lack of regular and systematic reviews” of electronic security access among staff to places such as vaults and other locations in which collections were stored.
“These findings matter because proper conservation and safeguarding help maintain historical artifacts for future generations, which is a fundamental component of the corporation’s mandate,” the report said.
It was not all negative, however, for the museum as the auditor general did write that it had good practices for corporate governance, strategic planning, and risk management — though it said improvements could still be made.
Overall, the auditor general said despite the weaknesses noted in the report — such as the hundreds of missing items — the Canadian Museum of History has reasonably maintained systems and practices to “carry out its mandate.”
The corporation manages collections of more than four million objects within the Canadian Museum of History and [the] Canadian War Museum.
The missing items are not the first such high-profile case for a Canadian institution.
The Royal Canadian Mint has faced thefts over recent years from employees, with one fired in 2018 after roughly $110,000 in gold was discovered missing from its facility in Ottawa.
Another Mint employee was accused in 2016 of smuggling roughly $180,000 of gold in his rectum.

One wonder what investigations were carried out as a result of these items going missing and whether the police were ever notified?

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No reply from the museum(s).

More than 800 items are missing from the Canadian Museum of History
One wonder what investigations were carried out as a result of these items going missing and whether the police were ever notified?

Most theft from museums are in-house by trusted individuals who have access to the colleciton. This could be directors, curators, conservators, volunteers, what-not. Still looking for an original No 3 Mk 1(T) with Warner-Swasey scope.

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I have been asked more than once to donate an item to military museum and have refused every time for the exact reasons listed above. It would pi$$ me off beyond belief to see a firearm I donated to a museum in some guy's hands at the rifle range. And don't think all the firearms you turn in to the authorities for destruction get destroyed either. A live MG42 that was turned in to the RCMP's E Division for destruction after its legal owner passed away mysteriously ended up as a DEWAT in the collection of an RCMP officer. A few of us members of HACS complained but got nowhere with the RCMP and were told to back off lest our collections received greater scrutiny.

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And don't think all the firearms you turn in to the authorities for destruction get destroyed either. A live MG42 that was turned in to the RCMP's E Division for destruction after its legal owner passed away mysteriously ended up as a DEWAT in the collection of an RCMP officer. A few of us members of HACS complained

I have a few stories about that myself.

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When donations are made to museums, they send a "release" that authorizes them to do whatever they want with the object. That enpowers them to deaccession it (sell/swap) for funds/something else that the curator feels would improve their collection.

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The alternative is a documented loan, but most institutions won't go that route anymore: they don't want the accountability and want to be able to trade or sell, or "dispose of" artifacts as they wish.

Increasingly in my observation, the people in museums are not the lovers of history and artifacts they used to be, but careerists and frequently young women, who have little if any interest in or understanding of artifacts or even history itself. "Museum science" is just a career they chose from the available options and their focus tends to be on how to further their careers by making the museums reflect the prevailing PC ideologies. Unfortunately these people are often hired and promoted by management who should know better simply in order to appear "progressive" or meeting hiring quotas. Of course these problems are by no means confined to young women; the young men are subject to all the same influences, and increasingly unable or unwilling to do anything "hands on".

There has always been tendency to complacency and a sense of "ownership" among museum staff which overrides moral responsibility to donors or the community; ideology is just making it worse.

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Kit Carson's fringe leather jacket was loaned by the Trinidad Historical Society to the Colorado Historical Society BUT without the proper paperwork showing it was a loan. Now the former can't get it back from the latter.

Surpmil is correct about a lot of museum studies people. We see a lot of PC in museums like those of the Civil War National Parks (gotta include a huge chunk of slavery in the exhibit). There are a few good musuem people like the curators at Springfield Armory and the Ft. Benning Infantry Museum; but they're guys like us who love the same things we do. Lucky bastages to have landed those jobs.

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Back on topic - anyone with insights into an original No. 3, Mk 1 (T) with a Warner & Swasey scope?