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    Info request.....Sanderson & Sons Pattern 1907 Bayonet

    Good afternoon. Looking for some assistance on this bayonet.

    1.) Is there any way to tell the general year it was manufactured? Or simply if it it WWI or WW II-era vintage? I read somewhere if one can read the ER or GR royal cypher mark, you can place prior to or after 1910. However,, I am not able to tell from the worn markings on this example. I am hesitant to remove the black finish over the marking to try to read it.











    2.) what is the proper frog for the bayonet scabbard? Does it vary if it was WW I issue ir WW II issue? Is the sample photo below correct? if yes, for what era? nd what is the correct nomenclature for the frog pictured? And finally...is there a source for a suitable frog? A reproduction would be OK in this case.



    Thanks in advance.
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    It looks like your bayonet was made in the teens possibly 1917. It also seems to have been refurbished in 1939. Do not remove any finish please, it's not going to help you see an obliterated date stamp. What your seeing on there is it's history besides it's in great condition already. I know nothing about frogs so I can't help with that.

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    See pic of one of my WWI frogs you'll be wanting the leather frog web types were WWII. Vintage leather repo's can be had fairly cheap but WWI leather ones in good nick will set you back a few $000's dollars.
    The tear drop stud is early war, then the small stud, then large stud AFAIK.Use raw linseed/Mineral turps 50/50 on the scales (Grips) & ballistol on the steel work and catch don't scrub it clean you'll destroy it's history.
    Use dubbin on the leather when you get one.
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    Thank you… That’s the advice I was looking for. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. And for the photo… I’ll be on the lookout…

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    Isn't that an M1917 left grip panel? I wonder how that came about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike181 View Post
    Isn't that an M1917 left grip panel? I wonder how that came about.
    Odds are that it's actually a P13 grip. It shows to have been refurbished in 39 so whatever was on hand? In 108 years anything can happen I guess. You know I saw that but completely missed it.

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    Just to clarify...the last photo in my original post (with the blue background) is NOT my bayonet...it was an internet photo for reference to the canvas frog only.

    Is that the 1917 grip in question? If yes, again, that's not my bayonet Both my grips are smooth, without the 2 groves of the typical 1917 model. Sorry for the confusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfoneguy View Post
    It shows to have been refurbished in 39 so whatever was on hand?
    The armorers wouldn't have done that anyway...as pointed out it's a different picture. Different bayonet.
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    OK I get it now. Thanks for the clarification.

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    Follow up question....which is the correct way for the bayonet to be inserted in the scabbard? With the release pointed outwards (from the body, as worn) or inwards? The blade itself appears to fit in the scabbard either way. Common sense seems to say "away" from the body. As I have seen internet pix showing it both ways, I figured I would check here....I trust the knowledge you all share.







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