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    Commercial guns would more than likely have a brass buttplate.

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    No, they are NOT military. They made commercial trench guns, or someone may have taken standard M97 riot guns and added the adaptors. Probably no way to know for sure.

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    not so

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Rock View Post
    Commercial guns would more than likely have a brass buttplate.
    I can't recall the exact details right now, but the commercials with the brass buttplates were a special run made up for a prison system. There was a pic of one posted on the other forum long ago. They are quite rare. Most of the commercials had the standard buttplate.

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    COMMERCIAL 97 w/BRASS BUTTPLATE

    'Bout time we had some activity in this forum!!

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    Thanks for the photos. That's a nice one!

    Is your commerical trench in the 800,000 range? A lot of them in that range have brass buttplates.

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    Serial Range

    Tom,

    Yes, they are.

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    To make sure I got this straight:

    Winchester model 97 riot guns were made for 1) the military 2) law enforcement and 3) commercial. Is that right? Is there a distinction between the commercial ones and the law enforcement ones? And some of the 97s that were originally riot guns were converted by the military into trench guns, correct?

    And someone please tell me how to remove the buttstock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blockhead View Post

    And someone please tell me how to remove the buttstock
    Never mind, just figured it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Doniphon View Post
    Yes, police departments did sometimes remove the heatshields and bayo adaptors.

    Do your shotguns have the 3 transverse grooves on the underside of the barrel at the muzzle end?

    And, what serial number ranges are your shotguns?
    Are these the grooves you were talking about? These appeared after I removed the the remaining lug piece.



    Another new question: How do I remove handguards? Thanks!

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    To answer your first question, I think the only difference is between military and commercial. The LE guns would fall under the commercially manufactured category, unless it was a milsurp gun of course.

    Those ARE the three grooves. You don't have a handguard on your shotguns, not sure why you need instructions on how to remove it.

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