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Dave
What ever happened to 'probable cause'???
You must be a very honest person not to understand the dishonesty police officers experience.
Perhaps you don't realize that traffic stops are one of the top three causes of officer deaths in the line of duty? The officer may be pulling someone over for a misdemeanor but the driver thinks they got caught for the felony they committed.
Perhaps you think this was just a kid? Who do you think does most home burglaries and car thefts?
Being pulled over and fleeing the scene is probable cause.
In addition it's a misdemeanor until you flee then it becomes a felony. Depending on the juridiction an officer can use a Taser on someone committing a felony.
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04-21-2009 05:13 PM
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If I understand correctly, the one that runs is probably the one ditching the gun or drugs, isn't he?
Sure strikes me a probable cause.
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While I Was A Police Officer In Phoenix Az, 21 Yrs+, We Were Required To Fill Out Field Interrogation Cards On Two Persons Per Shift. If I Attempted To Talk To A Person Walking Down The Street And They Ran, So Be It, They Do Not Have To Stop And Talk, Where No Crime Has Been Committed. Merely Runing From The Police Is Not A Crime, While Most Officers View It As Felony Runing.
Last edited by noslack 327; 04-21-2009 at 06:42 PM.
Reason: typo.
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Just asking the question....but I've seen police Tazers up close and personal, and you ain't hittin' NOBODY running with one at anything but contact-range! So riddle me this Batman... if the kid was running....how'd the Michigan Mountie shoot him unless he was right on top of him, and if he was that close....why nuke him?....and if wasn't running, why'd the cop light him up anyway? Inquiring minds want to know!
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Hmmmm, maybe that's why there's an inquiry. The story is obviously incomplete and hopefully the investigation will answer that. As I inferred in my earlier post I think Tasers are generally a bad idea.
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You ever see how much damage a 16-year old (even one 5'2") can do when cornered and out of control?
Like others here have noted:
- He ran from a routine (and valid) traffic stop
- At that point, Cops MUST regard him as wanted, has something to get rid of, and/or is potentially dangerous/armed
- They have a fraction of a second to decide.
- He refuse orders to halt even while being chased.
- He acts aggressively/uncooperatively once cornered -- and may still draw/use a concealed weapon.
Toast......
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To add to what ME Harvey said; One thing from my prior LEO experience, and this is absolutely true. If you are a policeman of any stripe the person most likely to murder you is a male in his late teens to early twenties of whaterver community or group you are working with. Kids lack sense.
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Yeah well....80,000 volts through the heart is still something to consider as well. Besides, if you live in this neck of the woods, Michigan State Cops kinda have "rep"...not deciding ahead of even a majority of the data, but that "rep" remains part of the equation.
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Originally Posted by
Bill F
Most cops are part of the problem.
That didn't take long . . . arbitrary cop bashing on the 3rd post of this thread.
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