cop abuse or just cop stupid?

[John Kepler]

You know that works both ways. Peoples actions and attitudes affect how they are treated by the police also. It's not a one way street? Ray

Yep it do...and frankly, there's nothing wrong with that. I don't trust a cop, he doesn't trust me...we both then play by the letter of the law, and everything works out fine. No trust is required....mores' the pity!

[John Kepler]

John, that murder was terrible. There is not getting around that. There is bad in every corner of the world. The problem is that if an agency of 1000 officers has one like Jeffrey Hodge, the bad guy is Jeffrey Hodge, not the other 999 officers.

Who is Melissa Anne Herstrum to you? If she is related somehow, then for that I am very sorry this happened to your family. I didn't do it nor did the other 999 officers.

Not family....just a fellow student of my wife's traveling the same routes in the same buildings at the same times as my wife did! As for the rest....Jeffery Hodge didn't just mug a co-ed on his "day-off"....he used his uniform, his patrol car, his badge, and his department-issued handcuffs and firearm to "force compliance with a 'lawful order'" from his intended victim as he handcuffed her, stripped her naked, forced her to lie face-down on the ground and then pumped 14 shots from his Service Pistol into her back and head. Nothing personal....but in that instance, all the other 999 were right there with Hodge whether they wanted to be or not (and certainly you/they didn't as every LEO I've talked to about it were certainly just as sickened by his actions as the entire Toledo area was...but there's a "downside" to the monolithic "Blue Wall"!).

All I can see is the same thing Melissa did when Jeffery Hodge approached her....a uniform telling me I have to "comply with his lawful order"...look where her "trust" got her. No Bill...trust is like virginity; you only lose it once!

But, the good news is that professionally...we don't have to trust each other. I know the cop approaching my car sure as hell doesn't trust me (that hand on the gun is kind-of a clue!)...and based on my experience I'd be an idiot to trust him! As long as we BOTH play EXACTLY by the rules...no trust is required.

[lboos]

I've never heard so much Police Bashing on any forum. Some of you "Basher's" remind me of the little 16 year old punk that took off running.
And i'll bet most of you "Basher's" did" something stupid in your life time that got the Police involved and it diden't come the way you thought it would.
If i had a 16 year old son that jumped out and ran from the Police, When i caught up with him, He'd be the one calling 911 to get help, and be glad to see Police show up.
Any way, It's been a great day.

[Ken C.]

I've never heard so much Police Bashing on any forum. Some of you "Basher's" remind me of the little 16 year old punk that took off running.
And i'll bet most of you "Basher's" did" something stupid in your life time that got the Police involved and it diden't come the way you thought it would.
If i had a 16 year old son that jumped out and ran from the Police, When i caught up with him, He'd be the one calling 911 to get help, and be glad to see Police show up.
Any way, It's been a great day.

And not only that, but now we have an inkling where the expression "Gun Nut" comes from. I guess our love of firearms makes for some pretty strange bedfellows.

[rayg]

And not only that, but now we have an inkling where the expression "Gun Nut" comes from. I guess our love of firearms makes for some pretty strange bedfellows.

Too bad, because it's gun folks that might have such hate/anti police/authority attitudes that could scare the average citizen/general puplic into giving more support to gun control. Anyway, my opinion, Ray

[CSP ADMIN (Retired)]

Locked thread ...

This isn't a very healthy thread and quite frankly, in our opinion there's some pretty disturbing attitudes amongst a few folks.

It's incredible that some people would label and measure an entire group by the actions of a minority. Apparently bigotry isn't necessarily just about race, color, religion or creed.

In any event, we wonder what Dick would say if this thread were about Marines and not police officers ..

Maybe it's time for this board to move on ...