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    Mexico variant swine flu?

    Been big in the news last couple days. Ohhhh! BIG! PANDEMIC!

    1000 some odd people in Mexico. A handful elsewhere. Appx 10% mortality rate in Mexico, third world country with third world medical facilities.

    Time to worry? Hit the bunker for the duration? Another media manufactured headline?

    I'm not worried at this point. After all the regular old type flu kills almost 36,000 people in the US every year. (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm)

    And that does not count Mexico or other countries.
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    SIZWe are taking the proper precautions to address anything that happens," Gibbs said. "It's not a time to panic."

    I wanted to panic right away, but you know the government. Then on the next page: 'Is this the next big global flu epicemic that public health experts have long anticipated and worried aboout? Is this the novel virus that will kill millions around the world,as pandemics did in 1918,1957 and 1968? The short answer is: It's too soon to tell (but don't panic 'til we tell you).

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    The duration is likely to be months. How will you isolate yourself that long? The mortality rate outside Mexico is 0%, so far. Best stock up on stuff that builds you immune system & vitamins, etc. plus hand sanitizer plus food & water for 30 days. When it gets to where you are & it worries you & your familiy, take some vacation time & stay home (or go to a nice, sunny out of doors spot with lots of fresh air like a shooting range!)

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    Influenza is one nasty pathogen....a highly adaptive bug that's an adroit "species-jumper", which is why there really isn't any truly lasting vaccination for it! A good pathogen, like any successful parasite, doesn't kill it's host...(use Herpes Simplex A as a perfect example....you are damn-near born with it (you get the virus from Momma at your first feeding if you don't pick it up on your trip down the birth canal!), and it's there when they close the lid...you only know about it when your body chemistry lets it give you a cold-sore!). Symbiosis generally starts as a pathogenic infection! It's a pi$$-poor pathogen that debilitates and then kills it's host in a matter of hours/days (use Ebola as that model...the virus is vanishingly rare because it kills it's host so fast that it can't get passed around!). The likely difference in severity is based on the virus adapting to a different host. Porcine to human infection being more virulent than human to human after the virus has made itself more "at home".

    The 1918-1919 Flu pandemic was nearly the opposite. It originated at Fort Riley, KS in 1917 (contracted by soldiers cleaning out a horse-barn to be used as a training barracks) as a relatively mild flu that got increasingly lethal as WW I exposed huge populations to the virus in a very short period of time.

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    One report says this virus is a combination of swine flu and avian flu, giving me nasty thoughts about a man-made virus; if anyone else thinks that, they are not saying it.

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    One report says this virus is a combination of swine flu and avian flu, giving me nasty thoughts about a man-made virus; if anyone else thinks that, they are not saying it.

    Jim
    The "problem" doesn't require any nefarious human involvement....geography and ancient cultural behavior will do nicely! The source of all this are ducks, pigs, Chinese civilization, and Christopher Columbus!

    Chinese keep pigs in very close proximite to humans....feed them table scraps and garbage (which can contain human influenza virus)....the humans reciprocate by using pig excrement along with their own to fertilize their rice fields so the viruses cross-pollinate. The Chinese also raise ducks which feed in the human-porcine fertilized soup in the rice paddies....the combined virus then cycles through the ducks back into the viral soup in the paddies adding a third genetic vector. Wild ducks migrate south and spend the winter feeding in the multiply mutated and co-mingled influenza virus soup in the rice paddies. Spring comes....and the wild ducks infected with the multiply mutated virus migrate north where they meet and greet ducks from all over the world...infecting them and adding newer strains to produce next years Chinese mutant viral soup! Winter brings another migration south to the US, Europe, and back to China.

    In North America, the freshly mutated virus finds millions of unprotected humans to infect (where historically only a few hundred thousand lived in widely scattered, isolated communities)....and another potential pandemic is in play. It's a veritable bio-weapons lab operated by no one but God!

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