Question about 1960's DCM carbines.

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Originally Posted by Tom in N.J.

The M1 carbines sold through the DCM in 1963 were "unsurviceable-unclassified, safe to fire". Which meant they could be any condition, new, used, or re-built . They were not classified by condition. They were shipped with no magazine, sling, or oiler. But they were well worth the $20.00, including shipping, that they cost. About 300,00 were sold to N.R.A. members back then. All sales were recorded at R.I.A. and can be verivied through the CMP.

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Are you sure that "All sales were recorded..and can be verified through the CMP" I have my Dads IBM AO I would like like to document.

I've read Orest Michaels comment that only about 5% of search requests for DCM sales requests result in a hit.

Regards..Mike Haas

Here's a link about an NPM Carbine owned by a friend. It very likely came from the DCM in the early 60's, but he doesn't know for sure - just knows that it belonged to his Dad, and will never sell. That's a good enough story for me! - Bob

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=33456

The IBM is definitely a rebuild/refinish. I'm surprised at how much it sold for - am I just out of touch? I would have thought about $750.

MIKE HASS.. I'm sure all sales were recorded at R.I.A. and if the records were not lost or destroyed they should be able to verify a DCM sale. If not, many people are in trouble as the U.S. code places the burden of proof of lawful transfer on the possessor. If it is marked "US" it is govt property unless you can prove otherwise.
Here is a quote from my DD 1149-4 on my DCM carbine. "** lack of sufficient evedence of transfer of title could result in confiscation of carbine described above under provisions of RS USC 10-1317. This sale is recorded at the Army Weapons Command, Rock Island, Illinois."..

Mine was an Inland Receiver, recoil plate sight and barrel. It has nothing else Inland on it: IBM bolt, Saginaw trigger and hammer, IP trigger housing (don't ask I am not selling it). It had a twist safety, type III mag catch (M2) and barrel band but no sling, or oiler. At one time there was a five round magazine, but it disappeared in a move and I do not remember if it was a new five or a cut down 30.

Dave

Mike is correct, there are very few records of DCM sales still available. In the 1960's, DOD had only paper records; a bill of sale was typed, & several carbon copies were made & filed or used for the shipping label & customer receipt. All DOD copies were destroyed long ago.

Technically, all veteran "bring backs" are really "stolen US property"; no member of the US military was authorized to retain any US-issue firearm (with the exception of General Officer pistols, which were sold to the officer). But, neither DOD nor the FBI has any interest in investigating US issued firearms issued prior to the Vietnam War.

Next you'll be telling me it's OK to tear the tag off a new mattress.

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Originally Posted by Neal Myers

Technically, all veteran "bring backs" are really "stolen US property"; no member of the US military was authorized to retain any US-issue firearm (with the exception of General Officer pistols, which were sold to the officer). But, neither DOD nor the FBI has any interest in investigating US issued firearms issued prior to the Vietnam War

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That is not quite true. Officers were allowed to purchase a carbine at the end of the war. They had to pay what ever the government paid for it. A number of them have been found that were bring backs this way with recites from the military.

I sure hope/wish my step mom stumbles across the sales receipts for the three DCM records for Dad's rifles - 1903 A4 - IBM AO - an 1903-A3. Lottsa paper files to go thru yet in two file cabinets. Without the proof it's just another story.

Mike

The statute of limitations of stolen property is 30 years. They can't make an arrest if it was longer , hince no intrest .
Chris