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I recorded this of a friend shooting my gun. It's the MAS-38. Pre-war design chambered in 7.65 Longue. Pretty much 100% milled gun, very much the opposite of the Sten. Bolt approaches the chamber at an angle. Weird but cool gun. Only downer is you have to reload for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
The MAT-49 came after the war and to my understanding was only chambered in 9mm, and was mostly a stamped gun.
K MAS 38 - YouTube
What's that cute little bugger at the bottom? I love WOOD furniture!
Russ
Gracias...still not common and I've not fired one. I only knew offhand the wood butt was different, we had one floating around here a while back...Mat 49... Not often seen. Load for it? Sure, I'll cast for it too, then we can warm it up right...Quote:
Originally Posted by stenmkII
More on it...
The French MAS-38 Submachine Gun - YouTube
If you went to SVN, there were zillions of those MAS's. I'd say that every arms cache yielded a couple. It always amazed me where they got all the assorted ammo from. The VC quartermasters must have been pulling their hair out
I'm a big fan of the Uzi, its probably the pistol grip that reminds me of the Walther P38 for some reason...... but still i don't think you can beat a Sten........ or a Lanchester or Sterling.
The Lanchester and Sten are good but held back by the magazine. The Sterling is superb and its magazine is unmatched to this day. The Thompson is also a very impressive classic SMG. When you walk into a room with a Thompson, you own it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigduke6
The Sig MPX is a modern modular design. It has a lot of nice features. I am still not 100% comfortable with it, but it makes me see how dated the MP5 has become. The bolt hold open and flared magazine housing are a big help when you’re looking through a soda straw and down to using basic motor skills. It hasn’t become famous yet and the cost is very reasonable.
Yeah Sten mag quality is all over and they're a pain to load. I've got a few Austen mag loaders which are great and make it pretty easy. I bought a ton of mags and have set aside the ones that don't work hoping to fix them one day per this thread but probably will end up selling them on.
To me the Sten stands out for a few reasons. It's extremely reliable with known good mags. It's very easy to break down and the barrel can be quickly removed and replaced with an integral suppressor. At least one SOG unit used it in Vietnam for those two purposes as a quiet weapon they'd stick in a pack in case it was needed. But the ergonomics and sights are terrible. I have a 7.62x25 barrel and mags for mine and had a setback round-kaboom pop my front sight off. I got it fixed but it's not zeroed for windage dead-on so I'll eventually have to have it removed, re-welded and re-painted. Fixed sights can be a pain. However the event was a testament to the toughness of the gun that the extremely high pressure event I had didn't mess the gun up. It's a tank.
Comparing it to the UZI, the UZI's magazines, sights, and cleaning routine are superior. The top opens right up. But that top cover is also a source of failure as they can become too tight or too loose and cause problems. It's a relatively common problem after extractor issues (typically the bolt hole can become very dirty and cause extractor issues). The Sten just doesn't have these problems as a single tube. I've never experienced or even heard of extractor issues with the Sten. It's been more reliable than the UZI over a decade for me.
They're available in semi only around here but not very reasonable. Love to be able to wring one out for real though...I like the look of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
That would be very interesting and add a bit of velocity...Quote:
Originally Posted by stenmkII
An interesting perspective on the whole episode of the Sten
The Pivotal WWII Gun That Nobody Wanted to Put Down: The Plumbers Nightmare - YouTube
Never watched and heard such a load of pure horse shi.........., er..........., horse manure in all my sheltered life. What drivel!