Is this type I band real?

I see the seller added the same pics they sent me to their auction.
It's been bid on.....sitting at $66.00 Expensive repro....

US M1 Carbine Type IA Barrel Band for Rock-Ola - eBay (item 230359739609 end time Jul-28-09 17:03:45 PDT)

Shame...
Charlie

I copied one of the photos from ebay (which isn't as easy to do now)

I hope this comes out to some extent to other members computers, but this is exactly how the finish looked on the fake one I bought. The finish looks like a sort of a thin semi-gloss black color, but not exactly like it's been blued, much less parked. I'd never mistake it for real and I'm sure none of you guys would either, no matter how good it was marked.
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It won't fit correctly without a fight, the threads are wrong, the stamping wouldn't fool anyone in person (even if it were correct), and the finish is wrong.

Other than that it's 'perfect' -
abcLeach has made a fortune over the past couple of years with these $10 bands and I still don't know how he gets away with it. There must be a lot of funky type I bands riding around on carbines these days.

Just want to add a last thought or two. When the owners/sellers of real parts see fakes selling for these higher prices, wouldn't you think that influences the increasing cost in buying the real ones?
Grant it there are other factors to be calculated in because of the scarcity of these early, rare, and hard to find parts.
Seems a shame that the selling price of a repro part is factored in and partially to blame for setting the bar on the cost of real parts.
As times get harder we'll see more amd more carbines getting parted out. The humpers are getting better at their trade.....imagine the prices we may see down the not so distant road.
Granted some of the blame falls on us wanting that early looking original configuration. The humpers will continue making more parts, maybe to the point that more will be made after the war than during.

JMO
Charlie-painter777

I always wonder if due to peoples lack of knowledge and lack of supply of original parts if we will see prices of good parts go down and better looking humped parts up until they cost about the same.

Look at what the repro band with the UR marked swivel sold for.......
US M1 Carbine Type IA Barrel Band for Rock-Ola - eBay (item 230359739609 end time Jul-28-09 17:03:45 PDT)

OUCH.....Would have been better off buying this repro for $30 and bought a U and R stamp.
M1 Carbine Type 1 Barrel Band - eBay (item 350230289572 end time Jul-29-09 12:24:18 PDT)

$$ Expensive lesson...

Charlie-painter777

OH Sure - he's probably just claiming it's a repro to throw us off. :rofl:

Seriously, that top auction is a shame. Hope the seller made the list of scumbags Charlie.

If I find your user ID buying stamps I'm driving up to Michigan!!!
~ Harlan

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Originally Posted by painter777

YEP,
Forgot about looking at the screw.....missed that.
Thanks Rog....Bubba-7. Too busy looking at the inner band and UR markings.

Thank You
Charlie

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I spotted this fake right away, but asked this clpp guy if this was a genuine band, just to see what he'd say -- I was amazed that he replied it was on a gun his father brought back from the war!

So I wrote him back the following: "Hello --

There are at least three clear signs that this is NOT a genuine WW2 vintage USGI barrel band: (1)Rock-Ola did NOT put the MR or UR marking on the swivel; only the band itself was marked -- someone thought they were real clever with a hand stamp! (2) The end of the top tab on the band should NOT be a full-tangent semicircle; the genuine band had a partial-arc end on the upper tab. (3)The top of the swivel screw on your band has an improper shape -- difficult to describe in words, but instantly recognizable to any knowledgeable collector. The genuine screw has a pinched, double-concave contour just like the shorter screw on the Type 2 and Type 3 bands. Other more subtle indications include incorrect metal thickness and radius of the edges of the swivel, which are clear when compared with a known genuine item.
I suspect that the band (or the entire gun that it was removed from) was represented to your father as genuine when he acquired it, and he was not experienced enuf to recognize the differences."

The seller never responded to me, did not post my message on his listing as he could have, and allowed the auction to go to completion for $132.50!

After the auction ended, I registered a complaint with eBay for this guy selling fake stuff; also sent eBay all communication between clpp and me.

Hope they smack him!

Ray

They will do nothing!