So...these guns are waaaay older than that. So am I. Anyway, doesn't matter.
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So...these guns are waaaay older than that. So am I. Anyway, doesn't matter.
As can getting banged around on a carbine rack, which is probably the cause of the wear on the front sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
There are some things about DaveHH's carbine that are not general knowledge that indicate it is in original configuration.
Sorry Brian, I don't totally agree with you. Okay, it is in its original configuration but my belief is that sight has been banged on to be removed. A rack is not going to cause that kind of damage. That damage is from strikes to the back side of the sight.
Dave, please don't take my disagreement over this topic wrong. You have a very nice carbine. One of the nicer carbines we've had posted here in a while. I mean no disrespect to anyone or do I mean to downplay how nice your carbine is.
Agree to disagree :)
So you think someone took the front sight off this or another carbine. Put it on and re-staked both sides of the front sight pin using the same method Winchester did, but never bothered to replace the one non- Winchester part . A part that is very visible as well as very easy to obtain. It is also a part that no published integration records show should be there but occurs in a very narrow band in the 5.6 mil range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Hollinger
Brian, I am NOT going to argue with you over this. Your tone clearly suggests that is what you want. I'm not going to bite Brian. I stand by my first assessment that this sight has been removed for whatever reason. You and all your knowledge are correct on so many occasions and may very well be on this but I do not believe so and disagree with your reasoning. No one, (NO ONE) is going to beat on a front sight except for one reason and that is to remove it. A carbine rack did not cause that damage and for you to even suggest that is rather beneath you. I'm sure you realize just what it takes to distort metal as this has been distorted. Now, if you are not able to except someone disagreeing in a civil manner with you then I'm sorry, however, I'm not sorry for disagreeing.
I looked at my NPM which is my house gun, it is a rebuild and it clearly shows where the sight has been off on the end of the barrel. Two distinct wide stripes across the finish. The Win doesn't have that. I have looked very closely at the photo that you guys are concerned with and it has been struck by something but not on an angle you would expect if trying to remove the thing. it is a glancing blow that hit the barrel a bit and hit on the edge of the metal, not the back. Remember this thing has been used as a camp rifle for decades and I never even thought to take better care of it. It has been dropped, banged around tossed etc. Until I found out what it might be. I'm getting a new camera stand, when I do I'll get the Winny down and take a much better look at it. I know is there isn't much if any of the scarring present on the NPM. I'm more excited about the Inland that is coming. The story of the Win and it's one non- Win part is pretty cool and makes a strong argument for not ever changing anything on these carbines.
Thanks Guys, Thanks Brian, Very much appreciate your help.
Bill and BAR:
I sent extremely detailed photos (20+) of the barrel and sight of the Winchester carbine in question to the most knowledgeable carbine person I know. After careful review, he determined that the sight has been damaged by the use of a grenade launcher, recoil check or some other foreign activity. The original Win staking is present and the sight shows no sign of ever having been removed. The scars from the Grenade launcher or recoil check are very evident on the bottom of the barrel, as are pattern scarring behind the sight from the use of these items. While you guys may think that there are hammer blows on the sight to remove it, that is apparently not the case. Thanks for your input.
Great to hear that. That is a plus for you and your carbine :thup:
A grenade launcher kicks the other way. A recoil check now....
Chris