Early Inland WWII bring-back?

Last summer I had the opportunity to examine an Inland, s/n 1414xx, that a friend owns. He obtained it from an acquaintance of his some time ago but knows nothing else about it. The first thing I noticed was the early trigger housing pin, I'd never seen one before. Although the type II rear sight is definitely incorrect as well as the hammer both in manufacturer and type, just about everything else about it looks like original early Inland. The bottom of the foreend has carved in it "3rd CARRAN SP" The mag catch is marked "EI" but I don't recall what, if any, markings are on the safety except that it is checkered. The handguard is ty I Inland. I didn't take the trigger assembly apart nor the bolt and slide. The only other carbine I've seen that reminds me of this one is an NPM another friend's Dad brought back from the ETO, it was all correct except it had a late rear sight and the ears on the front sight were cut down. I felt that that NPM might have had the rear sight installed in the field, his Dad had landed at Normandy on D Day ++ and went all the way to Germany.
Any thoughts on this Inland, especially the carvings?


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Charlie, that is a nice looking early Inland for sure. I think the rear sight is a field install. The hammer may have been switched out during a cleaning party. I doubt it has been through any post war rebuild program since it still has the push safety and type I barrel band. The stock looks very nice even with the "carving" on the fore end. The "carving" is probably the guys name skirted by his outfit???

3RD. SP, maybe "shore patrol"?
Very nice early carbine.....Frank

I kind of thought the same thing Frank. I did some searching but found nothing.

I remember a past discussion on a method of identifying whether an early Inland had been re-parked or not by a color line on the receiver. I am thinking it was in reference to how it was submerged in the tank. After looking at mine, SN 139678, there is difference in the color, almost a line on the receiver. I cannot see anything like that on the receiver above. I am sure there is a way to find that thread for someone that is good on searching previous topics. Regardless, very nice carbine.

Bill, I have an uncle who was in the Navy in the Pacific on an LST. He kept a carbine in his bunk the whole time and even brought it home. He says that alot of sailers on the landing craft kept weapons. Some of his stories are pretty terifying.....Frank

Frank, the 1414 beginning of the serial number is like our underwoods lol
Brian

141,4XX??? Underwood 1,414,XXX.

yeah,my undie is 1414629 and franks is very very close to mine

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Brian, I didn't catch that. Interesting Inland 1414xx, could be another kind of collection type of thing!!:dancingbanana:

Bill, my .U. 1,414,616 is only 13 apart from Brian's. Mine is no where as nice as Brian's but those two carbine's sat very close togther at one time. I think that is kind of neet....Frank:thup:

come on Frank, give me a number, my son wants a good shooter

Hooks, if I remember right, it is Newscotlander who is the Ace on that colour line, he's still collecting info on it. Mike.

That's my gun that Charlie posted above. One correction: the mag catch is stamped W-l instead of E l. Hard to see in the pic's!
Thanks for the info so far!

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Originally Posted by Mikey51

Hooks, if I remember right, it is Newscotlander who is the Ace on that colour line, he's still collecting info on it. Mike.

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I think you are probably correct. I did a search on his post and saw a couple he mentioned the color line but not the one I remember. It had a lot of discussion on the two-tone color line and may have been on the old Jouster site.

interesting....thanks for sharing!

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Originally Posted by 1414xx

That's my gun that Charlie posted above. One correction: the mag catch is stamped W-l instead of E l. Hard to see in the pic's!
Thanks for the info so far!

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My apologies for the error, Mark. I wish I hadn't been so overwhelmed at the time with all the goings-on with my road trip then, I would have liked to have taken better pix for the crew here and maybe stripped the trigger group down as well. I'm still wondering about the hammer, I wouldn't think that would have been replaced by the average G.I. in a "cleaning party". At any rate, I wouldn't even think about replacing the stock, it definitely has some history behind it and there's little doubt it is original to the carbine.
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Originally Posted by Hooks

I think you are probably correct. I did a search on his post and saw a couple he mentioned the color line but not the one I remember. It had a lot of discussion on the two-tone color line and may have been on the old Jouster site.

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Hooks,

I remembered the 'color line' thread too after you brought it up. I'm fairly certain the thread was on Jouster in the last few months before most of the Jouster forums became unreadable because of spam.
The spam issue didn't show up very much on the old carbine forum, but it became horrible on most of the other forums at that time, and everything was shut down.
Sadly, most all of our old posts were lost.

The thread was fairly extensive and informative, with several good photos showing color lines on various Inlands submitted from others as well, as the thread progressed.