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Folks,
I'm looking at a 03A1 that appears to be "as issued."
Using Poyer 3rd Edition as my reference, everything appears to be matching up other than the handguard drawing number. Poyer states "D29179" on page 131. This rifle has "D28179" stamped on the handguard.
Any insight from the experts?
Thanks, and here are some pictures.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../2iaanwi-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../11id0eg-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...7/imt5si-1.jpg
Brophy states on page 48. Some Late NM hand guards had the hand guard drawing number D28179 neatly stamped into the wood. Maybe a misprint in the Poyer book.
You're right, appears to be a one of those dis-connects between the two references.Quote:
Originally Posted by five 0
I keep Poyer in the garage with my work bench and Brophy in house with my La-Z-Boy. ;)
Since we have these pictures of "D28179" as per Brophy, I wonder if anybody out there has a "D29179" stamped handguard?
Thanks,
drawing numbered parts // 1935 to 1939..A1 or not.
So, are both numbers correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckindenver
iv seen a couple different drawing numbers on Handgurds. but didnt write them down,
as far as being correct for a 1903A1? id say yes, for a 1million 4 or 1million5 serial number.
they used these as replacement parts for a while.
what i would look for, is,
late serial number range.
more parts with a drawing number. stock, handguard, rear sight base, sight asssembly, trigger, sear, cocking rod ect.
my late NM has all those parts numbered, as well as a CV marked cocking rod and trigger sear.
check you serial against SRS records, and see what comes up.
Bill Ricca has some drawing number info, maybe he can help.
Its S/N# 1500307 with a barrel date of 3-38 and a C stock. No hit on SRS.
So far the major parts are tracking for a 1938 rifle using the data I have (to include Ricca). Its showing all the normal wear of a issue weapon that was carried and handled alot yet it seems to have been fired very little. Bore looks very strong and it passes the bullet test. I will headspace it after a good cleaning.
I just picked it up today. This just might be what we car crazy nuts would call a "barn find."
I will post pics later.
For $550 that was a good buy on a C stocked 03. Were there any markings on the stock? The barrel does not have a turtle shape at 6 o'clock on the barrel muzzle does it?
Not a star gauged barrel. Has COL Samuel P. Green's inspector initials - SPG.Quote:
Originally Posted by five 0
$550...., $550...., Who said anything about $550?????? ;)
I booked marked this. http://ee.ar15.com/ItemView.aspx?iid=18361 while looking for a 03 that I could put a 1/29 barrel on. Glad someone on Jouster's
got it. Looks like it will be a good shooter.
Did the info on COL Samuel P. Green come out of Poyer? Stanley Samuel Ployart Gibbs (S.P.G.) was a civilian inspector in the Ordnance Department at Springfield Armory.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMark
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...7/w9utf9-1.jpg
Yea I was shocked to find it on ARFCON, even more so on that user unfriendly "new exchange." I kept looking at this rifle thinking "why hasn't this gun sold?" Then I remember that alot of the black rifle crowd really don't deal in these dirty old bolt guns. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by five 0
Seller was a straight up good guy and was honest that he really didn't know much about 03s.
I took a chance that the rifle was what it appeared to be - - - A pre-war 03A1 with a correct C stock. It looks like it is. The stock has the normal amount of dings and dents, but I think it will clean up well. Looks to have the SA park and that not black paint that the Greeks used. Wonder if it came out of the CMP (or maybe the DCM earlier).
Oh....., and I didn't pay $550! :cheers:
First I did a quick inspector initial sreach on m1903.com. It came back as...Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Peppers
"SPG = Samuel P. Green Col. USA M1903, M1 .30 Rifles 1938."
Poyer on page 405 also has SPG as Samuel P. Green.
Bad information has a life of it's own. S.P.G. was Stanley P. Gibbs.
OK. Maybe so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Peppers
For me what is important is that the stock is correct for the time period that the receiver and barrel would have gone together. :cool:
No. Both numbers are not correct. The correct drawing number for an M1903 service rifle handguard is D28179. Poyer has an error (one of many).Quote:
Originally Posted by DMark
J.B.
The earliest reference to "S.P.G. = Samuel P. Green" that I am aware of is Bruce Canfield's first book on the M1903 rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Peppers
I concur. Misinformation quickly takes on a life of its own.
Hope this helps.
J.B.
J.B.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Beard
Thanks for the insight. :thup:
I'm more of a accumulator than a collector of firearms. I'm military and buy my weapons to shoot. My taste is all over the place, i.e. I found this 03A1 on ARFCOM while searching for a Magpul UBR stock for a 3-Gun AR that I compete with.
That's not to say that I don't want my firearms to me "honest."
My 1903 library is a bit dated. What do you consider the best reference?
Regards,
sometimes, you need to put the books away, and just enjoy the guns..
books like the net, are full of bad info.
i for one think your rifle is fine, and a fair example of a 1903A1.
I couldn't agree more. This 03A1 is a shooter that I intend to use at a local military bolt gun match. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckindenver
It was for a fact. I would mark through that bit of information in Poyer's book.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMark
Some authors have a tendency to copy available material from someone else rather than go to the trouble of doing their own research which perpetuates any incorrect information.
The best reference on the M1903 rifles is The Springfield Model 1903 Rifles by Lt. Col. William S. Brophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMark
Hope this helps.
J.B.