Indian No4T and cover for No32 scope

Hello everybody!

I am new in this forum and I have my first question .

I have an indian No4(T) with No32Mk3 scope in my collection, I got the rifle quite recently from a retired NCO of the Austrian Army, he kept it for at least 20 years in his gunsafe.
The rifle has all the correct markings on the reciever (TR,T, S,...) , it is marked M47C(BSA) but insted of the year of manufacturing it has CPJO on the reciever ring.
Can anybody explain what this means?

I will post some pictures in the next few days.

The only thing I am missing is the cover for the No32 scope. Can anybody of you gentlemen help and give me an info where to get a good repro cover?

Happy new year and
regards from Vienna

Frank

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Originally Posted by Frank LE

[B] The only thing I am missing is the cover for the No32 scope. Can anybody of you gentlemen help and give me an info where to get a good repro cover?

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Welcome, a good subject for your first post.

To answer the question about the scope "cover", if you are talking about the leather lens covers these appear regularly on ebay.co.uk

Or talk to Jon Moore on here - the product's first class IF he's still making them.

Paul
A happy scope cover and tin strap owner :)

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Originally Posted by colonel blimp

Or talk to Jon Moore on here - the product's first class IF he's still making them.

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Is "jmoore", Jon Moore the leather artist, or is it another member? I got a great repro set of caps for an HT a few years ago. Beautiful work.

Same guy - and you're right, beautiful work (although I wouldn't tell 'im so as he'd just get big headed :))

Paul

There are cheaper options out there but, from experience you get what you pay for :)

Sorry, fellows, but whilst we're similarly "lettered", we are not the same person. Different countries, even, unless he's moved recently. I do metal "art", "Jon Moore" does leather.

My apologies - I thought you were one and the same - I'll stop praising "you" then :)

As you're NOT Jon Moore we're looking for we'll move along and go about our business - sorry, sorry, sorry (nice to know there's work there for the 'other' Jon Moore if he wants it !) :)

Jon's website is here: Moore Leather

Might be worth giving him a quick e-mail. Still can't praise the stuff highly enough - have had other repros and just destroyed them as time has gone on - 25 shows a year for the last 3/4 years with approx 100 hands a weekend all over the rifle and kit can quickly destroy leather equipment - even with leather feed etc. - Jon's is still going strong and I have been known to treat it *ahem* very harshly between shows - hard wearing and forgiving :)

Going to hide under a rock now :)

Happy New Year all

Paul

:rolleyes:What if I said that I AM actually him?...I mean, me?... Yes,...I'm me! Praise away! That's the ticket! :lol:




ETA: Disclaimer for the planet: I'm not really the Jon Moore that people know! I ain't nobody! Move along, no need to get excited!

I am in need of a leather scope cover for a No32 MKII scope as fitted to the Enfield T sniper rifle.

JMoore where are you located ?I am in Detroit. The price of the cover,please. The repro covers I bought on Ebay out of England about 7 years are one piece and stamped 1944 Broad Arrow. The original ones I have seen in Board photos are two-piece. I have assumed, therefore, that my one piece repros are not quite correct. Thank you.

Please advise. Otto

No, I'm NOT the famous Jon Moore of song and scope covers! Hence the little LOL icon above;)... He's in Merry Old. (England, that is.)

Dang, I try and NOT be serious and look at the trouble it causes! ...Editing Post#8 for damage control!

Frank LE, any chance of posting some pics of the Indian No4 T?

I will post a complete set of pictures of my indian No4T by next week. Promissed!!!:)
I am on holiday and the rifle is at home.

Frank

I posted some pics of one I used to own a while back. They can be quite unusual. The one I had was fitted with a MkI No32 scope. The action had been converted by the Indians to a No4 MkI/3. It was quite accurate. The scope bracket was quite unique as well. The cap screws were allen headed and the bracket looked like it was something they made up themselves.
All of the lenses in the scope were sharp and clear and the turrets were smooth as butter in their operation. The scope didn't come with covers but the rifle did come with the proper sling. The pics may still be available on this site.
They also used very coarse sand paper on the stock so that it didn't produce glare. The metal was covered in a flakey black paint, which may have been a preservative. It also had the Ishy screw in the fore end.

I would like to see some pics so that I can compare the rifles to one another. I especially would like to see the scope bracket from different angles. Looking forward to the pics as I'm sure the fellow I sold it to is as well. :)

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Originally Posted by Frank LE

I am new in this forum and I have my first question . The only thing I am missing is the cover for the No32 scope. Can anybody of you gentlemen help and give me an info where to get a good repro cover?

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Hope you had a good holiday - just in case you missed them:

WW2 British No.4(T) sniper rifle, No.32 scope caps on eBay (end time 18-Jan-11 15:10:38 GMT)

Lee Enfield Rifle Sniper 32 Scope Cover British Army on eBay (end time 17-Jan-11 22:38:57 GMT)

THe latter is well made but the leather wil stretch quite markedly if you're planning on using the rifle a lot. The top one is a superb quality reproduction but will cost you almost double - you pays your money and takes your choice :)

Paul

Thanks Colonel,
I tryed both links but ebay blocks this items for Austria. I will get a cover for the No 52 scope by next week and give a report when it has arrived.
My scope is still in the optical workshop getting the graticul fixed. It will be back end next week or so, as the armourer said.

Frank

Sorry, Frank

I didn't realise you suffered the same restrictions that we do - if you try logging onto ebay.co.uk and ignore their advice to go to your own countries ebay you might see them :)

Looking forward to seeing these photos

Take care

Paul

I've also had the problem with the 'invalid item' on EBay, but after some research I found out how the 'protection' from EBay works.

Since we're Austrian and we can talk German (and as our native English speaking friends here are not in need for this solution), may I post something in wunderschönem Deutsch:

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Bin letztens vor dem Problem gestanden dass Ebay teilweise die Käufer vor sich selbst schützen möchte und viele Artikel aus Amerika mit dem Text:

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Dear User:

Unfortunately, access to this particular category or item has been blocked due to legal restrictions in your home country. Based on our discussions with concerned government agencies and eBay community members, we have taken these steps to reduce the chance of inappropriate items being displayed. Regrettably, in some cases this policy may prevent users from accessing items that do not violate the law. At this time, we are working on less restrictive alternatives. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause you, and we hope you may find other items of interest on eBay.

Thank You.

Hit the return button to return to the previous page.

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blockiert.

Nachdem aber viele Artikel davon (vor allem Sammlergegenstände wie Münzen, Militaria etc.) nicht verboten sind, aber Ebay sie präventiv sperrt, habe ich nach einer Lösung gesucht um dennoch darauf zugreifen zu können.

Im Netz findet man leider nicht wirklich eine Anleitung um diese Sperre zu knacken bzw. zu umgehen, jedoch habe ich es nach diversen Versuchen und Überlegungen geschafft ->

Lösung 1:
Die einfachste Lösung - man kann via Web Proxy alles ansehen. Nur einloggen und bieten über Web Proxy ist eine etwas unsichere Angelegenheit. Deshalb empfehle ich ausdrücklich Lösung 2 und Lösung 3.

Lösung 2 - für Microsoft Internet Explorer:
Über das Menü 'Extras' in die 'Internetoptionen' einsteigen.
In der Registerkarte 'Allgemein' auf den Button 'Sprachen' klicken.
Dort die Sprache 'Englisch (USA) [en-US]' hinzufügen und alle anderen eventuell eingestellten Sprachen entfernen.

Nach einem Strg+R (bzw. 'Aktualisieren') laden nun alle ebay.com-Items.

Lösung 3 - für Mozilla Firefox:
In die Adresszeile 'about:config' eingeben.

Im Feld 'Filter' nach 'language' suchen.

Den Einstellungsnamen 'intl.accept_languages' im Feld 'Wert' doppelklicken, und den Wert auf 'en-us' abändern.

Mit 'OK' bestätigen, und das 'about:config'-Fenster einfach schließen, die Einstellung wurde bereits mit der Änderung gespeichert.

Nach einem Strg+R (bzw. 'Aktualisieren') laden nun alle ebay.com-Items.


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Zur Erklärung:
Der Schutz von Ebay funktioniert rein auf der Basis von Spracheinstellungen vom Browser.
Dadurch dass man die Sprache auf en-us ändert, wird an der Software selbst nichts geändert. Wenn aber eine Website via Abruf die Sprache des Browsers aufruft, so wird die Information gegeben dass "die Muttersprache" amerikanisches Englisch ist.

Hinweis:
Die Umgehung auf diese Art und Weise ist in keinerlei Hinsicht illegal, da ohnehin der Käufer dafür Sorge trägt dass der Artikel in seinem Heimatland legal ist. Es wird hier lediglich der 'Schutz für den Käufer vor dem Käufer' ausgeschaltet.
Das Wichtigste ist ohnehin jeden Verkäufer zuvor zu kontaktieren ob er/sie auch nach Europa versendet (und zu welchen Konditionen).
Achtung, manche Webprogramme (Foren, Webshops) lesen die Sprache auch aus und stellen fortan Englisch als Default-Sprache ein. Muss man dann eben manuell wieder umstellen.

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I didn't do the solution for Google Chrome and/or the Mac thingie, but should work the same way (change the language settings).

:super:Works fine I have now good chances on ebay
Danke Kamerad!

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Originally Posted by viking guy

The repro covers I bought on Ebay out of England about 7 years are one piece and stamped 1944 Broad Arrow. The original ones I have seen in Board photos are two-piece. I have assumed, therefore, that my one piece repros are not quite correct. Thank you.

Please advise. Otto

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They must have made both versions, the two piece and the one piece, as I have one of each and they appear original, Ray

Frank, please don't break your promise. I would really like to see those pics of your Indian No4 T. So would enfield303t

And me!

and me !

Not that we're hinting or anything, Frank :)

Paul

Now some pics of the rifle. Scope still on repair, will be back next week. I will post new pics of scope and rifle then.

frank

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Thanks Frank, nice detail pics.

Thanks Frank, can't wait to see it with the scope in place :thup:

Paul

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Originally Posted by rayg

They must have made both versions, the two piece and the one piece, as I have one of each and they appear original, Ray

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There were 3 versions of the No.32 scope cap

1st Pattern: plain leather, with a plain connecting strap

2nd Pattern: same as above except they also have a loop added near the objective end of the scope. That way the caps can hang off the scope in use & are in theory more difficult to lose

3rd Pattern: MUST have been the result of several committee meetings & the passing around of each members version of home-made parsnip & cat pee wine!! As nobody in their right mind would design such a thing otherwise. Made with a 4 part connecting strap, which is a nightmare to sew!

Pics of each:
1st
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSC00923-1.jpg

2nd
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...2ndpatt2-1.jpg

3rd
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSC01058-1.jpg

Maybe it's the colour or the camera angle but they don't look quite like the scope caps that were issued when the rifles were current. Our issue ones had the underside of the brass stud covered too I seem to remember. If it wasn't covered then you can be sure as god made little green apples that the soldier would unscrew it!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Peter Laidler

Maybe it's the colour or the camera angle but they don't look quite like the scope caps that were issued when the rifles were current. Our issue ones had the underside of the brass stud covered too I seem to remember. If it wasn't covered then you can be sure as god made little green apples that the soldier would unscrew it!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It's the camera flash/angle...& I forgot to glue on the leather disc covering the brass stud before taking the pic!

They're the same colour & thickness, etc. as the off-cut of original WW2 leather you gave me some time ago - but may look a slight "pink" shade as the undyed veg tan looks that way when very new
...I may live in Scotland now but I have what you'd call a "Geordie" accent :wave: